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Sep 07, 2016 00:25 |  #1246

Talley wrote in post #18119444 (external link)
My biggest question is...

...why hasn't Nikon done anything dual pixel sensors yet? Or should I say Sony? Maybe they have and if so I'm sorry I'm just not up to speed on other mfg technologies other than Fuji.

Maybe they're announcing a camera which will revolutionise photography, on September the 9th :p


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Sep 07, 2016 02:04 |  #1247

Talley wrote in post #18119507 (external link)
I agree with that. Also... you shooting more Jpeg means your buffer is not an issue. Isn't this why the pro's shoot JPG mostly because of the buffer issue.

Pro sports and paparazzi? They need to get images back to editors like yesterday, processing a RAW just is not going to happen ;) I think that is more relevant than hitting the buffer.


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Sep 07, 2016 03:22 |  #1248

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Is this for real

US = $3499
UK=£3599.

At todays exchange rate of £1=$1.34, that's $4822 or £987 more in the UK than the USA. Talk about being ripped off.

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Sep 07, 2016 03:33 |  #1249

pixel shift is useless..


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Sep 07, 2016 03:40 |  #1250

davesrose wrote in post #18119441 (external link)
Indeed....I think it's funny the article claims 72mb is a lofty size for the full RAW. The average for my friend's D810 is also 70. Canon's dual pixels aren't the same technology as Fuji's, and are being processed differently.....so it's a whole new set of patents and later hacks that'll be developed (no punn intended)

Sony's a7r2 raw files are about 80mb so im use to large files to be honest


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Sep 07, 2016 03:41 |  #1251

Is anyone here have a 5DSR also going to be getting the 5DIV?

I would be really really interested to hear thoughts comparing the two.




  
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Sep 07, 2016 03:42 as a reply to  @ jonneymendoza's post |  #1252

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18119434 (external link)
It looks like the theory is being tested by the theortical types;

http://www.imaging-resource.com …w-tech-can-yield-an-addit (external link)
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Obviously the hardware implementation is a different, but I can't see to doubt the end results Iliah Borg has posted.

I was hoping that Dave Etchells would get time to take the requested shots for some better analysis, but it's gone quiet.

As far as I understand, there will be much more noise in the auxiliary subframe - this likely explains Northrup's finding that using the Dual Pixel raw features with a high ISO image can seriously increase noise (because it's likely having to use "half" the data if you do a large swing with the dual pixel feature).

However, the assumption is that for the top stop of highlights, the extra noise should be acceptable (good signal to noise ratio) and thus you could replace a stop of blown highlights from the main subframe with a pushed version from the auxiliary. As far as I know, no one's done that directly from the raw data and analysed the DR yet though - so it looks very promising, but there's no absolute proof it'll be a real increase in DR.

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The next version of that Fuji was THE DR king in 2007, even in the DARKS!

QUOTED IMAGE
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https://www.dpreview.c​om/reviews/fujifilms5p​ro/18 (external link)

Being a pedant: those images are slightly misleading, in the sense that DR is defined as the ratio between the largest and smallest signal that can be recorded (with an acceptable level of noise). Different sensors have different well capacities, but if you shot the same scene with each camera, and put the brightest highlight at each sensor's saturation point (just below clipping) then the DR would be defined as how many stops down into shadow detail you can go before noise is objectionable.

Putting it another way: different sensors have different 100% points, but there's always a 100% point. The crucial bit is what percentage still gives a sufficiently clean result (i.e. it's always about the darks :-))

[I see the DPReview chooses a tone as "middle gray" then measures outwards either way - which explains the images. Not a "classical" way of defining DR, but not invalid]


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Sep 07, 2016 06:18 |  #1253

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It's true. In the USA tax is rarely shown on the price of anything. Where is Europe the price shown is what you pay. I like that a whole lot better. ;-)a

Bugger that get it and argue with the tax man later;-)a;-)a


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Sep 07, 2016 07:03 |  #1254

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Bugger that get it and argue with the tax man later;-)a;-)a

The tax man tends to win though. Unless you're a large multinational; then they take you out to dinner to ask how much tax you might like to pay.


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Sep 07, 2016 08:38 |  #1255

Neilyb wrote in post #18119706 (external link)
Pro sports and paparazzi? They need to get images back to editors like yesterday, processing a RAW just is not going to happen ;) I think that is more relevant than hitting the buffer.

Exactly This


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Sep 07, 2016 08:51 |  #1256

jonneymendoza wrote in post #18119733 (external link)
pixel shift is useless..


https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=W0S8shTk94E (external link)


WOW

Talk about Hyped BS.

Very informative. Cant believe Canon actually marketed this. Looks useless to my eye


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Sep 07, 2016 09:01 |  #1257

umphotography wrote in post #18119840 (external link)
WOW

Talk about Hyped BS.

Very informative. Cant believe Canon actually marketed this. Looks useless to my eye

Cmon now. The affect varies based on focal length and aperture and subject distance. 600mm lens at MFD will have very little affect. 50mm lens at 1.4 at a subject distance of 10 feet will have more affect. Don't knock it till you try it... none of us actually have it in our hands yet to know how well it will work for OUR shooting.


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Sep 07, 2016 09:04 |  #1258

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18119491 (external link)
I'd also point out that you are getting better and better at getting the shots with each event. Some of that may be Canon, most of it is you ;)

There's a limit to what "you" can do at exposure time, if "you" are not providing the lighting. "You" have to trade off DOF and shutter speed against noise, but as cameras become more "ISO-invariant", exposure choices in regard to ISO biases become irrelevant, except for clipping. Cameras that have lots of post-gain noise (especially post-gain banding noise) benefit form ETTR at high ISOs, where judging headroom becomes critical, but when that post-gain noise isn't there, it really doesn't matter much if "you" "under-expose" for the ISO setting used - the shutter speed and f-number solely determine noise.




  
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Sep 07, 2016 09:13 |  #1259

Talley wrote in post #18119507 (external link)
I agree with that. Also... you shooting more Jpeg means your buffer is not an issue. Isn't this why the pro's shoot JPG mostly because of the buffer issue.

I find that JPEGs from my 7D2 and 6D are very usable if I expose for the JPEG, except for one thing; they are poor for crop-ability. When I need to see the original pixels, the JPEGs always smooth away fine single-line details. I see more single-pixel detail when I use a 2x TC and convert in RAWTherapee than I see without the TC in Canon JPEGs. For non-focal-length-limited shooting, I rarely ever do any converting of the RAWs.




  
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Sep 07, 2016 09:18 as a reply to  @ umphotography's post |  #1260

yea, i was a little disappointed with this, because it's a pretty practical example. with 20mm @ f/2.8. however, if it works considerably better with lets say my 85mm at f/1.2, then atleast i'll be a little more forgiving. but yea, the video was kind of a bummer.


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