Canon 5D Mark IV -- Time to Discuss!

smythie wrote in post #18119659
I can understand paying the early adopter tax of full release price over waiting 6 months for prices to drop, but paying nearly an extra 10% for the sake of a few days or maybe a couple of weeks is not something I'd be willing to stomach

Some people give to charity by stimulating the economy. This doesn't always correspond to wealth. I know people who are multimillionaires who wrestle with the idea of upgrading a crop camera body, and I know people who live from check-to-check, and slap down their plastic every time a minor upgrade is released. It takes all kinds to make an economy.

ilumo wrote in post #18119857
yea, i was a little disappointed with this, because it's a pretty practical example. with 20mm @ f/2.8. however, if it works considerably better with lets say my 85mm at f/1.2, then atleast i'll be a little more forgiving. but yea, the video was kind of a bummer.

I'm sure it'll be more useful then not. Maybe not everyone will use it but I applaud Canon for providing this feature. Funny how everyone says Canon is not innovative but they release this and everyone poops on it.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18119861
Some people give to charity by stimulating the economy. This doesn't always correspond to wealth. I know people who are multimillionaires who wrestle with the idea of upgrading a crop camera body, and I know people who live from check-to-check, and slap down their plastic every time a minor upgrade is released. It takes all kinds to make an economy.

My dad is a seven figure salary guy. He will literally spend an hour on the phone demanding 3 days worth of credit on his internet bill when the internet was down. The total refund was some 7 bucks. He got off the phone and I asked how it felt to make minimum wage. He said it was the point that mattered.

Me... I dont' have time for that, I got 4 kids and a busy work/life schedule. I'm not worried about the internet going down when I have cellular means as well.

Before anyone else "Likes" or replies to this post, I thought he was referring to "Pixel Shift" as used in the Pentax and other cameras.

jonneymendoza wrote in post #18119733
pixel shift is useless..

I didn't look at your link, but your statement is enough to address. Anyone who doesn't find an improvement from pixel shift is either not applying it to something where it makes a difference, or is doing it wrong. The resolution and aliasing of the red and blue channels in our sensors are pathetic.

FLiPxJB wrote in post #18119281
http://www.canonrumors​.com …-start-shipping-tomorrow/

Don't know how possible that is considering Canon themselves aren't shipping until 9/8

Talley wrote in post #18119862
I'm sure it'll be more useful then not. Maybe not everyone will use it but I applaud Canon for providing this feature. Funny how everyone says Canon is not innovative but they release this and everyone poops on it.

I subscribe to Northrup's channel and I trust him. That being said, I'm looking forward to others really testing this. No doubt by Sunday they will a ton of YouTube videos about it.

Take a look at Best Buy, says you will receive by tomorrow. Would be nice to get it by tomorrow, but I'm keeping my order thru B&H.

agreed. I do applaud them for giving this feature. however, as highlighted by the TN video, it's doesn't provide any meaningful advantages for the posted examples, which for ME, i would shoot. I hope that the tech matures and that there will be some better examples in the future. because if it were as TN showed, then i would turn off DPR as well. innovative and effective are two different things in my book. this is innovative, but definitely not effective.

umphotography wrote in post #18119840
WOW

Talk about Hyped BS.

Very informative. Cant believe Canon actually marketed this. Looks useless to my eye

Focus shift I can see as being useful in certain circumstances but bokeh shift looks pretty useless.

i think he meant it's useless for general practical applications, which is what TN was trying to demonstrate.

umphotography wrote in post #18119840
WOW

Talk about Hyped BS.

Very informative. Cant believe Canon actually marketed this. Looks useless to my eye

my thoughts exactly

Talley wrote in post #18119848
Cmon now. The affect varies based on focal length and aperture and subject distance. 600mm lens at MFD will have very little affect. 50mm lens at 1.4 at a subject distance of 10 feet will have more affect. Don't knock it till you try it... none of us actually have it in our hands yet to know how well it will work for OUR shooting.

Tony shot using a 70-200 mate doing a real world usage of shifting the focus when you miss focus on an eye at shallow DOF. Thats pathetic and come on even you should admit it.

I really dont get it man. Why cant you and everyone else just knock a product for its flaws? I am knocking it yet i still will be owning and using one.
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John Sheehy wrote in post #18119866
I didn't look at your link, but your statement is enough to address. Anyone who doesn't find an improvement from pixel shift is either not applying it to something where it makes a difference, or is doing it wrong. The resolution and aliasing of the red and blue channels in our sensors are pathetic.

You should watch the video. its a piss take the feature is at its current state.

jonneymendoza wrote in post #18119880
my thoughts exactly

Tony shot using a 70-200 mate doing a real world usage of shifting the focus when you miss focus on an eye at shallow DOF. Thats pathetic and come on even you should admit it.

I really dont get it man. Why cant you and everyone else just knock a product for its flaws? I am knocking it yet i still will be owning and using one.

Thats the difference between an honest person who has no ties with a product and not a fanboy and speaks out and highlights a product they own, its shortcomings.

You should watch the video. its a piss take the feature is at its current state.

I'm one of the most critical persons there is. I am not a fanboy by any means. I actually prefer and would rather shoot Fuji but they do not offer me any long glass options that suits my needs. 300 2.8 is literally my most used focal length next to 85mm. Fuji has a wonderful 56mm 1.2 that I would love to own next to a XT-2. But I don't feel like carrying two camera systems in my bag for when I want to pull out the 120-300.

I had issues with the 5D3. They just happen to of fixed them in the 5D4... why can't you get that. I haven't personally tried the DPR feature myself yet so I'm reluctant to comment.

WHY is it such a big deal for me to try it before I comment? I take all reviews with a grain of salt. I want to know how a lens performs?... I go buy it and try it. It's just how I am.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18119849
There's a limit to what "you" can do at exposure time, if "you" are not providing the lighting. "You" have to trade off DOF and shutter speed against noise, but as cameras become more "ISO-invariant", exposure choices in regard to ISO biases become irrelevant, except for clipping. Cameras that have lots of post-gain noise (especially post-gain banding noise) benefit form ETTR at high ISOs, where judging headroom becomes critical, but when that post-gain noise isn't there, it really doesn't matter much if "you" "under-expose" for the ISO setting used - the shutter speed and f-number solely determine noise.

This for me is one of the single biggest reasons for upgrading from a 5D3 - far less messing about trying to push the ISO in the knowledge I need to do it to keep good shadow quality.

Talley wrote in post #18119862
I'm sure it'll be more useful then not. Maybe not everyone will use it but I applaud Canon for providing this feature. Funny how everyone says Canon is not innovative but they release this and everyone poops on it.

My hope is that in time it's possible that developers will be able to extract (extrapolate?) more information from these DP raw files, in order to make the focus shift feature more useful. It's entirely possible it'll never really be worth the effort without changes in hardware, but this a technology I'd probably judge 6 months to a year from now - it's too immature to either write it off or get excited about it yet.

George Zip wrote in post #18119735
Is anyone here have a 5DSR also going to be getting the 5DIV?

I would be really really interested to hear thoughts comparing the two.

I am thinking about adding a 5DIV to my gear, but will wait for reviews and maybe a price drop. (Going to Hawaii in February.)
I am particularly interested in how the new autofocus system compares with the 5DSR. Presently my 5DSR is my most used camera body.

Tapeman wrote in post #18119893
I am thinking about adding a 5DIV to my gear, but will wait for reviews and maybe a price drop. (Going to Hawaii in February.)
I am particularly interested in how the new autofocus system compares with the 5DSR. Presently my 5DSR is my most used camera body.

I don't need it until March when we are going to Hong Kong and Shanghai.