2nd birding/wildlife body - 5DsR or another 7D2?

One more.

johnf3f wrote in post #18117453
One more.

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The 7DII should be providing you MUCH better results to start out with than that, John; assuming these are uncropped images. Especially with an L prime. If you have MFA'ed the lens/body and this is the best it puts out, I'd have Canon or a reputable local shop check out your AF. You *should* be able to see the individual detail in the lichen and moss on that branch, as well as much more fine detail on the bird's head and around the eye. I've had a couple of different bodies give me this sort of "smeary" result and both have been fixed by a trip to Canon.

If this is as good as your MkII gets I can totally see why you'd go with the 1, instead. I'm still interested in the comparison shots, for sure, though.

Very early attempts - it's first outing I think!

johnf3f wrote in post #18117950
Very early attempts - it's first outing I think!

Ahhh, gotcha

To be honest I haven't used the 7D2 very much with my 800mm lens as I really bought it for travel, light weight and to use with the 100-400 Mk2.

Back in early July a friend borrowed my 7D2 and 300 F2.8 to shoot the Swansea Air Show and she got some remarkably nice shots - the camera can perform! Well at least in her hands

johnf3f wrote in post #18118076
To be honest I haven't used the 7D2 very much with my 800mm lens as I really bought it for travel, light weight and to use with the 100-400 Mk2.

Back in early July a friend borrowed my 7D2 and 300 F2.8 to shoot the Swansea Air Show and she got some remarkably nice shots - the camera can perform! Well at least in her hands

I KNEW it!

I've gone round and round on this, and I think I'm gravitating back to just getting a second 7D2. Gotta check the used for sale sections, and keep an eye on the refurb store to see if they have a sale. If I can nab one for under a grand, that may be more palatable than a 5DsR for almost 3 grand. My 6D does just fine for non-birding use.

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If I were facing this decision, it would be an easy choice - I'd pick the 5DsR over a 2nd 7D2 in a heartbeat.

Why? Well, over the past couple of years I have gotten more interested in prints. And I like prints that do a fair job of filling wall space - like 48" and 60" prints. I know the kind of detail I want to see in my prints, and I find that the resolution that is necessary for that degree of detail is lacking in my current gear. With the puny little 16mp files from my 1D4, I can barely get away wth a 48" print - my clients are happy with the results, but I am not, and I just wouldn't get one for myself because the lack of finely resolved detail is a little dissatisfying.

If I am going to spend hundreds of dollars for a print, I need to be absolutely thrilled with the quality, and that just isn't going to happen with 16 or 20 megapixel files at sizes upwards of 4 or 5 or 6 feet across. And I am just not interested in prints that are any smaller than that - when I see a 36" print, I usually think, "What's the point?"

If I was in your shoes, and already had a camera that wasn't capable of producing very finely detailed 60" prints, and was going to buy another body, then I would choose a body that was capable of producing the kind of prints I want to make. 50 megapixels would be a Godsend for the kinds of images I want to produce!

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So, hate to throw a monkey wrench back into the works, but the feeling among us early adopters, is that the 5D4 AF set up may be better than everything else we are talking about in this thread. Definitely improved over 5Ds, or 5D3, and looking to best the 7D2!

Thanks, Tom! Definitely see your point of view!

Jake, I agree, the 5D4 seems to be an awesome body, but I am loath to give up the reach of the 7D2, and the 5D4 is in the mix because of the croppability of the 50MP. I am afraid of losing that with the 5D4.

It also depends how how 'good' the 5d4 pixels are and how well they crop, as some pixels crop better than others...

I was considering selling my 7DII and 5DIII for the 5D4. I want the 10 frames per second and could probably live with the 7FPS but Im unsure about the cropability of 5D4 compared to a slight crop on 7DII for wildlife and find 99% of the time the 7DII produces really good images that clean up really well noise wise.

Scrumhalf wrote in post #18134267
I've gone round and round on this, and I think I'm gravitating back to just getting a second 7D2. ...

I don;t know if you ever made a decision and shelled out for a 2nd body, but as soon as I discovered the AF system on the 5D4 I wanted to come back to this thread.

5D4 AF > Everything else except 1Dx2, and > than frame rate or pixels on target.

Not yet.. won't actually make a purchase until the holiday season and (hopefully) some sales!