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Canon 7D Mk2 - Exposure Level Indicator - doesn't show on top LCD screen in Manual mode

 
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Sep 03, 2016 16:20 |  #1

Yes, I read the manual, but I can't seem to figure out why this is happening. I've owned the 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 5DMk2, 5DMk3, speak fluent Canon, and didn't expect much of a learning curve for the 7D Mk2.

For some reason when I'm in Manual mode, I can't see the Exposure Level Indicator on the top LCD screen. When I switch to Aperture mode it shows up, and when I press the flash exposure ± button in Manual mode, it shows up to let me make those changes.


It's visible in the viewfinder in all modes, but why isn't it on the top LCD screen?


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Sep 03, 2016 16:28 |  #2

Here's a picture of what I'm expecting to see on the LCD screen when in Manual mode.
The same way I've seen on all my other Canon bodies.


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Sep 03, 2016 16:57 |  #3

Are you using Auto ISO when the dial is in Manual or do you have Auto ISO turned off?


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Sep 03, 2016 17:23 |  #4

I guess I took my 'stupid' pill this morning..what is missing (vs. what you expect to see, illustrated in post 2)? That is, just what are you calling ' Exposure Level Indicator'?


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Sep 03, 2016 19:18 |  #5

SkipD wrote in post #18115920 (external link)
Are you using Auto ISO when the dial is in Manual or do you have Auto ISO turned off?

I never use Auto ISO, and am wondering if there's a way to turn it off. Maybe that could be the problem?

Although on my 5D Mk3, I see Auto on my way down from ISO 100 to ISO 50, so it must be turned on as well; just never gets used.


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Sep 03, 2016 19:37 |  #6

Wilt wrote in post #18115940 (external link)
I guess I took my 'stupid' pill this morning..what is missing (vs. what you expect to see, illustrated in post 2)? That is, just what are you calling ' Exposure Level Indicator'?

Here's a picture of what I'm seeing now:


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Sep 03, 2016 20:57 as a reply to  @ Jared5's post |  #7

I've got a 7D2 and can confirm that if you don't have auto ISO, you won't see that meter on the LCD screen. If you look through the viewfinder in manual mode, you'll see the light meter is on the right hand side and the exposure compensation is on the bottom. If you don't have auto ISO enabled, there is no exposure compensation (either on the LCD or in the viewfinder). To me, that's a neat feature.....more a throwback to the film days when the meter was on the right side of the viewfinder.


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Sep 03, 2016 21:32 as a reply to  @ davesrose's post |  #8

I don't have a 7D II and have not read the manual for it either but I suspect the portion of the upper display in question may be a display of exposure compensation that is dialed in rather than being a "light meter" display. That's the the way the display works on my 7D. Since I work mostly in pure manual (NO Auto ISO), I almost never see any tick marks below the "meter" in the lower left corner of the upper display. The basic display stays in place on the7D even in manual mode but it's non-functional in manual. I can see the advantage of blanking that portion of the display out when it has no purpose.


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Sep 03, 2016 21:47 |  #9

SkipD wrote in post #18116144 (external link)
I don't have a 7D II and have not read the manual for it either but I suspect the portion of the upper display in question may be a display of exposure compensation that is dialed in rather than being a "light meter" display.

That's it exactly. The 7D2 has a separate light meter on the right hand side of the viewfinder, and the bottom meter in the viewfinder acts as an independent exposure compensation meter. In priority modes, the exposure compensation meter is present (both the bottom viewfinder and the LCD screen). In manual mode with a set ISO, there is no exposure compensation. You'll see the light meter on the right hand side of the viewfinder, but no exposure compensation (either a meter at the bottom of the viewfinder or LCD). If you enable auto ISO in manual, then the exposure compensation meter shows up.


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Sep 03, 2016 22:18 |  #10

davesrose wrote in post #18116121 (external link)
I've got a 7D2 and can confirm that if you don't have auto ISO, you won't see that meter on the LCD screen. If you look through the viewfinder in manual mode, you'll see the light meter is on the right hand side and the exposure compensation is on the bottom. If you don't have auto ISO enabled, there is no exposure compensation (either on the LCD or in the viewfinder). To me, that's a neat feature.....more a throwback to the film days when the meter was on the right side of the viewfinder.

That's bogus! There should be an option to re-enable it on the top display.


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Sep 03, 2016 22:36 |  #11

Jared5 wrote in post #18116184 (external link)
That's bogus! There should be an option to re-enable it on the top display.

But it's not acting as a light meter....there is no "re-enable". It's acting solely as exposure compensation. Sorry, but I don't know of any hacks that will let the LCD show the light meter...


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Sep 03, 2016 22:36 |  #12

SkipD wrote in post #18116144 (external link)
I can see the advantage of blanking that portion of the display out when it has no purpose.

I don't see any advantage in removing a feature that has existed on every other Canon body I've owned. It's not like it gets in the way or anything.

I shoot in Manual mode 99% of the time, and I do use the Exposure Level Indicator on the top display as a light meter quite often.


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Sep 03, 2016 22:42 |  #13

Jared5 wrote in post #18116184 (external link)
That's bogus! There should be an option to re-enable it on the top display.

For whatever reason, Canon decided to not display the light meter in the top lcd for the MkII; there's nothing to 're-enable'. The meter that is displayed there when any 'auto'-anything is on is purely the Exposure Compensation scale, not the exposure/light meter.


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Sep 03, 2016 23:49 |  #14

Jared5 wrote in post #18116197 (external link)
I don't see any advantage in removing a feature that has existed on every other Canon body I've owned. It's not like it gets in the way or anything.

I shoot in Manual mode 99% of the time, and I do use the Exposure Level Indicator on the top display as a light meter quite often.



  1. In Av and Tv mode, that line indicates Exposure Compensation which is preset...I, too, would find it handy to have that information before I lift the viewfinder to my eye!
  2. In M mode that line indicates that the current combination of shutter + Aperture is set (below/at/above) relative to the 'proper exposure'... but that value is totally based upon the camera not being aimed at NOTHING in particular while it is away from your eye...so it is a useless piece of info to have. But when the camera is on a tripod, not having that information available to you, forcing you to stoop to a low level camera's viewfinder to see where your exposure settings lie with a pre-aimed scene already framed, if missing seems a considerable nuisance to the photographer and a very stupid decision by Canon engineers who must not be photographers. It seems a considerable flaw that needs correction, perhaps Canon needs a software update!

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Wilt wrote in post #18116241 (external link)

  1. In Av and Tv mode, that line indicates Exposure Compensation which is preset...I, too, would find it handy to have that information before I lift the viewfinder to my eye!
  2. In M mode that line indicates that the current combination of shutter + Aperture is set (below/at/above) relative to the 'proper exposure'... but that value is totally based upon the camera not being aimed at NOTHING in particular while it is away from your eye...so it is a useless piece of info to have. But when the camera is on a tripod, not having that information available to you, forcing you to stoop to a low level camera's viewfinder to see where your exposure settings lie with a pre-aimed scene already framed, if missing seems a considerable nuisance to the photographer and a very stupid decision by Canon engineers who must not be photographers. It seems a considerable flaw that needs correction, perhaps Canon needs a software update!

Completely agreed. Although I do use it when the camera is not to my eye. For example, I can point the camera toward a grey wall and dial in my exposure without needing to look through the viewfinder. I can point it toward the sidewalk and know I should be metering brighter than medium grey, etc. I use it all the time.


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