New Canon EOS M5 Mirrorless

dtufino wrote in post #18147968
1. Cameras hasn't been released yet.
2. the REAL reviews aren't out yet...
3. Canon is not a mirrorless camera company, yeah sure the market is ran by Fuji, Sony, 43 cameras... but canons dSLRs has outsold all those companies cameras combined. That being said, why should canon fully invest in mirrorless when their SLR market is still killing it?

I'm no canon fanboy by any stretch, but i think canon knows whats it's doing. if the focus on this camera is faster than the Fuji xt2, or even the olympus omd, i think it might be a game changer. Lens department can be better but if the focus is amazing with the EF adapter, i mean..... i'll get it....

The rumor sites have the omd emii at 2K, the new Panasonic at 2K, the the a7 is at 1700, the xt2 is at 1600.00 this camera is at 1000.00 i mean... if they release a 50mm and n 85mm this will kill those cameras. (i believe)

lol @ canon knowing what its doing, it's only like the 4th iteration of the series, and previous versions were such big hits.

Charlie, read the entire comment.... "Canons dSLRs has outsold all those companies cameras combined"....

I think they know what they are doing and since their slr market is robust, why bother? I mean, their powershot cameras are doing well too! Sony had to make a mirror-less because their A series cameras were not doing well... fuji, didn't have anything but the instax instant cameras, Panasonic was only successful with the G4, and they were targeting photographers with that camera not expecting that videographers were going to use it as their main camera.... Olympus PEN series cameras were doing bad as well..... meanwhile Nikon and Canon still owned the market. So it was easier for these brands to make mirrorless and putting money into it.

That being said, i think canon should invest fully more into their mirrorless offering, but highly doubt it will happen anytime soon as their slr sales are still robust.

Now, the EOS M5 looks promising, without lenses, how promising is that? lol I'll wait for the reviews to come out (real life reviews)

dtufino wrote in post #18148055
Charlie, read the entire comment.... "Canons dSLRs has outsold all those companies cameras combined"....

I think they know what they are doing and since their slr market is robust, why bother? I mean, their powershot cameras are doing well too! Sony had to make a mirror-less because their A series cameras were not doing well... fuji, didn't have anything but the instax instant cameras, Panasonic was only successful with the G4, and they were targeting photographers with that camera not expecting that videographers were going to use it as their main camera.... Olympus PEN series cameras were doing bad as well..... meanwhile Nikon and Canon still owned the market. So it was easier for these brands to make mirrorless and putting money into it.

That being said, i think canon should invest fully more into their mirrorless offering, but highly doubt it will happen anytime soon as their slr sales are still robust.

Now, the EOS M5 looks promising, without lenses, how promising is that? lol I'll wait for the reviews to come out (real life reviews)

well you did allude to the fuji the following sentence.

Either way, the M5 is an accessory camera, not meant to be sole camera, where Fuji, Sony, and OM make cameras with the intention of being flagship cameras, rather than accessories to a bigger system. It's pretty evident based on the lenses released, generally slow zooms. Same can be said about the EF-s system, generally exists as an upgrade path to L and full frame DSLR. If you're ok with that mentality from canon, then the camera will work for you. If looking for a considerably more robust system, then there are other systems available, with considerably stronger options.

I agree, but i don't think anything is as robust as my canon 1dx or canon 5d3... (yes the old ones) i dont see fir to upgrade to new cameras because it has all the bells and whistles.... but i'm 10000% with you on that if you are looking for a more robust mirror less system the Fuji cool. The lens options are awesome. I have the xt1, the sony a72 and the OMD em1... and my favorite of the lot was the OMD with the 75mm lens.... i liek the images i got out of that camera better than fuji and sony.

I'm in no way defended this camera M5, just saying that i will see what the reviews are when they come out.

I don't need 4K (1080P if fine for me).

dtufino wrote in post #18147968
1. Cameras hasn't been released yet.
2. the REAL reviews aren't out yet...
3. Canon is not a mirrorless camera company, yeah sure the market is ran by Fuji, Sony, 43 cameras... but canons dSLRs has outsold all those companies cameras combined. That being said, why should canon fully invest in mirrorless when their SLR market is still killing it?

I'm no canon fanboy by any stretch, but i think canon knows whats it's doing. if the focus on this camera is faster than the Fuji xt2, or even the olympus omd, i think it might be a game changer. Lens department can be better but if the focus is amazing with the EF adapter, i mean..... i'll get it....

The rumor sites have the omd emii at 2K, the new Panasonic at 2K, the the a7 is at 1700, the xt2 is at 1600.00 this camera is at 1000.00 i mean... if they release a 50mm and n 85mm this will kill those cameras. (i believe)

I appreciate it's not out yet, all I've read points to the same sensor as the 80D so I was curious as to how it stacked up. That sensor actually falls short of the Fuji XT-1 never mind the XT-2. I've had my 7D almost from the beginning, and noise is my issue with it ( my PP is poor ). With wildlife I find it ok, but landscapes are noisy when zoomed right in. I bought an X Pro1 as a lightweight walkaround but detest its focus. It's slow and unreliable missing shots it really should nail.
Hence, enter the M5. I really like the style and I can use my existing lens line up. I just don't want to buy into something already behind the competition. The 6D can be bought for £950 and an A7r for £999 both FF. The XT-1 can be had now for £650, thats a lot of camera for that type of money, the M5 debuts at £950.
I don't want to come across as a hater, I was excited when I first saw it. I've taken forever to upgrade, after feeling like I got burnt by the Fuji X Pro1. The next direction I go in I want it to be the best one for me.

May not have been big hits in the US but have you seen the numbers for sales in Asia? Last I saw Canon was ranked #3 (behind Olympus and Sony) in mirrorless sales ( http://www.diyphotogra​phy.net …tanking-across-the-board/ ) So for supposedly not knowing what they are doing they are doing pretty good.

HaroldC3 wrote in post #18148873
May not have been big hits in the US but have you seen the numbers for sales in Asia? Last I saw Canon was ranked #3 (behind Olympus and Sony) in mirrorless sales ( http://www.diyphotogra​phy.net …tanking-across-the-board/ ) So for supposedly not knowing what they are doing they are doing pretty good.

Charlie's comment was limited to Canon in the mirrorless industry. Canon time and time again has demonstrated either a lack of commitment to growing in the mirrorless market or, worse yet, gross incompetence in adapting to the mirrorless market. I call that not knowing what you're doing with respect to that particular market.

You did not come off as a hater at all. I see what you mean... the Xt1 is a great camera, but for me.... i didn't like the images i got from it....maybe it's me and i suck. Noise is not an issue for me as i don't shoot anything higher than iso 800 (see y linkdin account)

Studio stuff i shoot at iso400 tops. so noise is not an issue for me. I'm not gung ho about the m5, just saying that people are critiquing a camera that isn't out yet. We dont knwo what canon did with the d80 sensor, last i heard, that sensor was one of the best sensors canons produces. I'm just patiently waiting for the real life reviews to come out. kinda liek the Fuji Xpro2... everyone was crazy about it, but once it was released, people hated it and the reviews were eh... lol

The thing I've found funny when reading threads on multiple forums is, if Canon don't include a feature such a 4K everyone complains they don't offer the same as their competitors. If they do add something like being able to change your focus point by sliding your finger around the screen like Panasonic (or maybe Olympus), then everyone critisizes them for copying another company. Personally I wouldn't say body A is better than body B if I've never tried body B, but people love to go buy stats now and label a cameras capability purely by those stats.

If it wasnt for recently getting the M3 (which is more my girlfriend's camera than mine) and being on quite a tight budget, I would get the M5 without any hesitation. I have started to actually use my M3 a bit more than my 6D which says a lot imo. The M5 looks to be better than the M3 in almost every area and is already being hated so much (not so much on this site but a lot on other forums).

The lack of lenses is somewhat of an issue, not as much for me as I'm happy to use the adapter with my EF lenses. Although Canon haven't got that creative when it comes to the apertures on their EF-M lenses, they have also kept the prices right down so that is understandable.

This came through today...
http://cpn.canon-europe.com …l&utm_campaign=​Newsletter

As someone who shoots a lot of mirrorless with the Oly system I really like the look and specs of the M5. I also shoot Canon (have had a few..20D, 30D, 1D, 1D IIn, xti, 7D) so I have been waiting for Canon to get a serious contender. Of course the lens selection needs improvement but I think this camera will be a pretty stout performer.

After picking up a M3 to play with after the M5 announcement to see if I wanted into the EOS M line I think I will be looking hard at getting one. Wish it could be in my hands for my trip to New Zealand.

And just today the Sony a6500 is announced. Making the M5 look like old tech pretty fast.

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18150475
And just today the Sony a6500 is announced. Making the M5 look like old tech pretty fast.

Isn't it nearly double the price of the M5? From what I read it's a level above the A6300, which I would have hate to have bought since they replace them so often.

Dlee13 wrote in post #18150512
Isn't it nearly double the price of the M5? From what I read it's a level above the A6300, which I would have hate to have bought since they replace them so often.

It looks like it will be fairly expensive £1500 ish, but, 4K video, proper IBIS, huge buffer, touch screen. The outgoing A6300 still looks better on paper than the yet to be released M5. I get your point about fast release dates, but they are pushing the boundaries so fast they are not incremental changes. I mean, has anyone seen the JPEG buffer, its amazing.
https://youtu.be/FMn4d​kLVNxg

FarmerTed1971 wrote in post #18150475
And just today the Sony a6500 is announced. Making the M5 look like old tech pretty fast.

Thats the exact reason for my hesitance in getting a new body as stated above. Canon announce the 5D4 and Sony up the ante with the A99ii. Enter the M5 and along comes the A6500 and blows it out of the water. Sony were HUGELY criticised on these boards about the lack of a lens line-up, now 2/3 years later and they have a superb lins selection. In the same time frame, Canon has sat on their butt with the M mount.

While we all know the Canon mirrorless cameras are still lagging behind in their capabilities against the likes of Sony and Olympus for example, the Canon M3 and M5 are still very good cameras! If you want to use your existing Canon lens collection and keep the familiarity of the EOS system in a compact set up they are perfect!

I bought a M3 a few months ago for the very reasons I stated above and even though I was a little sceptical of its abilities, I gave it a thorough workout when I went around Spain and France with my family this summer and it never skipped a beat and the image quality is quite superb. Give it a few months after launch so the price comes down from its MRRP and I'll probably get a M5, that's how happy I am with how far Canon have come with their mirrorless system.

Horses for courses I suppose, but I really do wonder if all these people who keep slating Canon would actually need/use/miss some of these functions that are 'missing' from their mirrorless models?