New Canon EOS M5 Mirrorless

Take Jpegs... who shoots raw anymore anyway.... jk jk jk!!! hahaha!

DesolateMirror wrote in post #18200871
I'm guessing Canon communicating with Adobe to get that done before the release date would make too much sense.

Actually as a business practice that would make no sense. Canon produces their own RAW converter and encourages the use of that product. Why would they cut off their nose despite their face by pre-releasing tech to a 3rd party they have no real association with? Adobe has to wait for the release and reverse engineer it like everyone else. Canon and Adobe aren't plotting together to make a few impatient consumers miserable. If you want a tool immediately you've got Canon. If you want Adobe, you've got to wait for them to develop support.

nqjudo wrote in post #18201003
Actually as a business practice that would make no sense. Canon produces their own RAW converter and encourages the use of that product. Why would they cut off their nose despite their face by pre-releasing tech to a 3rd party they have no real association with? Adobe has to wait for the release and reverse engineer it like everyone else. Canon and Adobe aren't plotting together to make a few impatient consumers miserable. If you want a tool immediately you've got Canon. If you want Adobe, you've got to wait for them to develop support.

Because most photographers use adobe software and its stupid to sit there and sabotage your $1000 mirrorless by not working with them to get RAW support implemented ASAP

if Canon or them truly wanted to force you into using ONLY their RAW converter (Like I believe Sigma does) they could, but they do not.

nqjudo wrote in post #18201003
Actually as a business practice that would make no sense. Canon produces their own RAW converter and encourages the use of that product. Why would they cut off their nose despite their face by pre-releasing tech to a 3rd party they have no real association with? Adobe has to wait for the release and reverse engineer it like everyone else. Canon and Adobe aren't plotting together to make a few impatient consumers miserable. If you want a tool immediately you've got Canon. If you want Adobe, you've got to wait for them to develop support.

actually it wasn't long ago Canon were giving away free adobe software with new DSLRs, so there is or has been an an association of some sort. Also Canon don't sell their software so they are not gaining or losing anything. They would do better to not bother at all and save a few quid on the cost of the cameras.

I wouldn't go as far as to say we are impatient.

Do you use the camera manufacturers recommended software for developing your images? I don't think I know anyone that uses DPP.

KenjiS wrote in post #18201196
Because most photographers use adobe software and its stupid to sit there and sabotage your $1000 mirrorless by not working with them to get RAW support implemented ASAP

if Canon or them truly wanted to force you into using ONLY their RAW converter (Like I believe Sigma does) they could, but they do not.

It isn't stupid. It is actually a complicated affair. First, your presumption that most photographers use Adobe products is anecdotal. What is certain is that many people who use the camera forego Adobe and its competitors in favour of DPP. Consider the possible consequences of Canon releasing pre-production technology for 3rd parties to work with. It is a liability waiting to happen and companies like Adobe likely wouldn't expend resources working on it anyway. Likewise, Canon cannot favour one company like Adobe without some kind of legal agreement toward that purpose. Such an agreement would be costly and trickle down into a higher product cost which, I am sure would displease the user base a lot more than waiting a few weeks. Lastly, it still doesn't eliminate the fact that Canon has to spend money to produce and distribute a RAW converter to go with the camera. It may frustrate people but what goes on between big corporations and their proprietary technology is complex so I understand that pointing the finger at Canon is more difficult than looking beyond the tip of your nose.

KenjiS wrote in post #18201196
Because most photographers use adobe software and its stupid to sit there and sabotage your $1000 mirrorless by not working with them to get RAW support implemented ASAP

if Canon or them truly wanted to force you into using ONLY their RAW converter (Like I believe Sigma does) they could, but they do not.

+1. If canon were going to be so pedantic as to not collaborate with VERY well known and popular software companies then they might as well make their own memory cards, a bit like when Kodak started making 620 cameras that only use their spooled 120 film.

nqjudo wrote in post #18201234
your presumption that most photographers use Adobe products is anecdotal.

Do you actually use DPP? I would bet that the majority of canon people use Adobe to process their images.

If camera manufacturers went with standard DNG life would be a lot simpler all round. If they want to entice people into their software they still have all this dual pixel rubbish they can keep all to themselves. And that will be a failure anyway as a. DPP will still be rubbish and b. anyone who knows how to take a photo doesn't need to try and focus after the event.

thc1979 wrote in post #18201242
If camera manufacturers went with standard DNG life would be a lot simpler all round.

True.

And while they're at it, they should standardize the lens mount.

..."And while they're at it, they should standardize the lens mount..."

That's crazy talk! Heresy! (I love it! No chance, though...)

thc1979 wrote in post #18201242
Do you actually use DPP? I would bet that the majority of canon people use Adobe to process their images.

If camera manufacturers went with standard DNG life would be a lot simpler all round. If they want to entice people into their software they still have all this dual pixel rubbish they can keep all to themselves. And that will be a failure anyway as a. DPP will still be rubbish and b. anyone who knows how to take a photo doesn't need to try and focus after the event.

it does seem rather idiotic with waiting for raw handlers..... really should be dealt with prior to release.

thc1979 wrote in post #18201242
Do you actually use DPP? I would bet that the majority of canon people use Adobe to process their images.

If camera manufacturers went with standard DNG life would be a lot simpler all round. If they want to entice people into their software they still have all this dual pixel rubbish they can keep all to themselves. And that will be a failure anyway as a. DPP will still be rubbish and b. anyone who knows how to take a photo doesn't need to try and focus after the event.

I use DPP only very occasionally but the reason requires a bit of an explanation. In the 1960s and 70s there was a study conducted by a psychologist named Walter Mischel that became known as the Marshmallow Experiment. In short he would bring children into a room for an 'interview' and there would be a treat (usually a marshmallow) on the table. He would explain to the child that he would leave for a short time and when he returned if the treat was still there the child would be entitled to receive a larger treat but if the treat was gone when he returned there would be no further reward. Only a small minority of the children were able to delay gratification in order to gain the larger reward. These children were followed well into adulthood and it was found that those who could delay gratification generally benefited from better educations, higher salaries and even more stable marriages. In short, the ability to delay gratification translates into bigger rewards. So the reason I don't generally use DPP (although I do find it useful occasionally) is because I delay gratification and generally only buy products when the early adopter fee disappears and full support is in place. It saves me time, frustration, money and prevents me from whining about about things I ultimately have a choice to participate in. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to buy consumer electronics. If lack of support in LR is such an issue all one has to do is have to fortitude to delay buying the camera or buy another model that is already supported. Simple.

WAIT A SECOND... how many of you have the camera (M5) thats posting on this thread?

dtufino wrote in post #18201343
WAIT A SECOND... how many of you have the camera (M5) thats posting on this thread?

Well it's not nqjudo, he/she prefers to "delay gratification".

I've got it, and despite how it may have been portrayed I'm quite ok with using JPEG for a while, it's kind of a JPEG camera anyway when you consider what it will be used for. I just think it would have been nice if it either a. supported DNG, b. didn't use a new iteration of CR2, or c. it didn't bother with RAW at all.

Share some JPegs....

When i get it, i'll be usig it ONLY for jpegs... lshoot raw with my 1dx and 5dIII...

dtufino wrote in post #18201389
Share some JPegs....

When i get it, i'll be usig it ONLY for jpegs... lshoot raw with my 1dx and 5dIII...

There are some in a post earlier on this thread, a Dropbox folder. I haven't done much with it this week but I will add to it. I have the 1DX2 it's wonderful.