New Canon EOS M5 Mirrorless

They really need an f2.8 walk around zoom...their three zoom lenses in that range are all slow, something like a 15-60f2.8...or at least give us a longer prime

DreDaze wrote in post #18129082
They really need an f2.8 walk around zoom...their three zoom lenses in that range are all slow, something like a 15-60f2.8...or at least give us a longer prime

I don't see the need for 2 slow mid range variable aperture zooms. Even something like a 15-45 F4 would make more sense to me.

Fuji seems to have a much better lens lineup and I'm going to wait and see to decide which direction I go.

My walk around lightweight camera is the Canon SL1. But I like what I have read so far about the M5.

It has plenty of features that my SL1 is lacking (built-in IS, Wi-Fi, tilt LCD, DIGIC 7, Dual Pixel CMOS AF, Bluetooth and a host of others) but you still need an adaptor to use any Canon EF or Ef-S lenses and the size of the M5 body is only very, very slightly smaller than the SL1 and the M5 will weigh more than the SL1 once you add the adapter.

I suspect most users won't bother with the adaptor or the EF or EF-S lenses anyway on the M5.

Here's hoping the image quality of the M5 surpasses that of the SL1 when using the same lenses (or maybe the 18-150 on the M5 will best the 18-135 STM, for example, on the SL1 - I doubt it).

Hopefully the sensor is the new design with improved DR as well. IQ from the M5 should be better than the SL1, as the SL1 is 7D Mark I tech.

This certainly looks like an interesting camera. I currently have the M3 which is pretty good if you "work it" but I've never liked not having a viewfinder and found the optional evf a bit awkward to use sometimes, and focusing on anything moving is very hit and miss.

the lense range is a bit limited compared to others but in reality how many lenses do you really need for for the intended purpose of this camera.

I think this will be a popular camera but there is plenty of people complaining about it already. They are the people that probably need to look at the 80D.

I was considering the 5D4 to go with my 1DX2 but I think this might fit the bill for holidays etc. Anyway who am I kidding I'll end up getting both!

So are they saying you don't put your eye up to the view finder?

That seems so awkward!

Any idea how many stops, if any are lost on the ef adapter?

should be zero. It's just air between the lens and the sensor. Only the electronics are pass thru.

DreDaze wrote in post #18129039
Do those two share that many similarities?

The 7D2 will AF far, far better - especially in Servo; that's the advantage of Phase Detect AF over even the best live (contrast detect) AF. PDAF requires a mirror and a separate AF sensor, which is why it is able to focus so quickly. The 7D2 also has three internal processors to handle rapid image capture and also the AF / metering; it's designed for sports or agile event photography.

If you need any of the features that specifically point to a 7D2, the M5 won't get the job done. That said, it will probably have excellent image quality and the advantage of being able to adapt many manual-focus lenses as well as the full Canon EF line. I would definitely consider it as an addition to my lineup, but not a replacement for any of my SLRs.

None as there is no light lost with the adaptor. You only lose light with additional lenses like in an extender

EightEleven wrote in post #18129171
Any idea how many stops, if any are lost on the ef adapter?

Since the primary attraction of the mirrorless bodies is their size and weight, I think having the EF/EF-S adapter is nice in a pinch but I would think most people would stick with the native EF-M lenses which are smaller and lighter. Same logic applies to using EF-S lenses on my SL1.

As Canon and others develop more and more of such EF-M lenses (and hopefully a fast zoom - well, at least an f/2.8 zoom as noted above), this M5 is likely to be a game changer. It's all good. Now, let's see what the reviews and the charts say.

Looks great!
When the price bottoms out @ $400.00 in a year I'll likely grab one

Some of the mirrorless cameras are sporting 4K video. What's up Canon?

probably because they don't have a consumer grade 4k codec. The 5Dmk4 encodes on mjpeg which takes huge amounts of memory. Some can live with 1080p/60fps; some can't ---> move on.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18129108
Hopefully the sensor is the new design with improved DR as well. IQ from the M5 should be better than the SL1, as the SL1 is 7D Mark I tech.

I think it's supposed to have the 80D sensor.