Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Macro 
Thread started 15 Sep 2016 (Thursday) 07:12
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Help please?

 
fordmondeo
I was Soupdragon in a former life.
1,254 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 384
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Sunny Southern England
     
Sep 15, 2016 07:12 |  #1

Hello.

I have been fortunate enough to have hummingbird hawk moths visit my garden three years running.
Each occasion I have followed them round the garden and duly taken pictures.

Sadly the wings are always blurred due to the high frequency at which they flap.
Even at 1/8000 of a second I cannot freeze the motion.

Any suggestions would be great.


Vaginator9000

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MikeES
Senior Member
Avatar
548 posts
Likes: 189
Joined Sep 2008
Location: ON, Canada
     
Sep 15, 2016 07:16 |  #2

Use a flash and a higher aperture (f8 or higher)...the background may be darker (depending on how far away)


Mike (external link)
1D X | White Kiss X7 | White 40 F2.8 Pancake | 50 F1.2L | 100 F2.8L IS Macro | 300 F4L IS | 11-24 F4L | 24-70 F2.8L II | 70-200 F2.8L II IS | Σ 150-600 OS Sport
580EXII | AB1600 | ABR800 | 1.4x II | Lee SW150 II | Kenko DG Tubes

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
fordmondeo
THREAD ­ STARTER
I was Soupdragon in a former life.
1,254 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 384
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Sunny Southern England
     
Sep 15, 2016 07:23 as a reply to  @ MikeES's post |  #3

Thanks, hadn't thought of that.


Vaginator9000

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Lester ­ Wareham
Moderator
Avatar
33,007 posts
Gallery: 3035 photos
Best ofs: 5
Likes: 47146
Joined Jul 2005
Location: Hampshire, UK
     
Sep 15, 2016 09:52 |  #4

Well you are very lucky to see them so often, are you on the south coast of the UK? I have only seen one once and they are very quick at each flower, I was happy to get a reasonably sharp shot.

Personaly the wing blur can add to the image. But as said above flash is the way to freeze the motion.

The key is to have as stong flash and as close as possible and use either auto or manual flash exposure control to limit the power; the flash does this by limiting the flash duration. If it fires at full power the duration might be 1/1000 sec so you want less than a tenth of full power. This is easier to work out if you are lucky enough to have a flash meter.

For the bacgtound you can try ambient fill in or better a false backdrop that will be quite close but out of DOF, I use a print of a out of focuse leaf or something.

Good luck.


Gear List
FAQ on UV and Clear Protective Filters
Macrophotography by LordV
flickr (external link) Flickr Home (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
fordmondeo
THREAD ­ STARTER
I was Soupdragon in a former life.
1,254 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 384
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Sunny Southern England
Post edited over 7 years ago by fordmondeo.
     
Sep 16, 2016 00:36 as a reply to  @ Lester Wareham's post |  #5

Yes, I'm a Hampshire man.

Here's an example.

Heavy crop.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2016/09/3/LQ_814090.jpg
Image hosted by forum (814090) © fordmondeo [SHARE LINK]
THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff.

Vaginator9000

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Snydremark
my very own Lightrules moment
20,051 posts
Gallery: 66 photos
Likes: 5573
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Issaquah, WA USA
     
Sep 16, 2016 01:04 |  #6

Don't shoot at f/1.2; your problem isn't motion blur, it's the wings falling outside of the DoF at that wide of an aperture. Try stopping down a few stops and bring your shutter down commensurately. That's a hell of a shot as it is, though; and congrats on capturing one of these guys!


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (R5, RF 800 f/11, Canon 16-35 F/4 MkII, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS I/II)
"The easiest way to improve your photos is to adjust the loose nut between the shutter release and the ground."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
fordmondeo
THREAD ­ STARTER
I was Soupdragon in a former life.
1,254 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 384
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Sunny Southern England
Post edited over 7 years ago by fordmondeo. (3 edits in all)
     
Sep 16, 2016 01:35 as a reply to  @ Snydremark's post |  #7

I see what you are saying.
The reason the lens is 1.2 was to get the shutter speed as high as possible.
The 5Dsr is not great at high iso settings so, at the time, it made sense to sacrifice DOF.

I have a 100 macro which may have been a better choice but I would have had to push the iso to 600 for an equivalent shutter speed.

If the critter comes back I'll try again with a different lens/iso combination.


Vaginator9000

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MalVeauX
"Looks rough and well used"
Avatar
14,250 posts
Gallery: 2135 photos
Best ofs: 4
Likes: 13371
Joined Feb 2013
Location: Florida
     
Oct 05, 2016 16:44 |  #8

fordmondeo wrote in post #18129692 (external link)
I see what you are saying.
The reason the lens is 1.2 was to get the shutter speed as high as possible.
The 5Dsr is not great at high iso settings so, at the time, it made sense to sacrifice DOF.

I have a 100 macro which may have been a better choice but I would have had to push the iso to 600 for an equivalent shutter speed.

If the critter comes back I'll try again with a different lens/iso combination.

If you set your camera's settings for ambient light to basically block all ambient light, the duration of the exposure when using flash becomes the duration of the flash, which is much faster than the shutter. You can freeze motion, and get far crisper, cleaner files. The 5DsR is fine up to ISO 1600~3200 without even thinking about it, if you expose well, you won't even notice it. If you set the camera to allow for some ambient light and blend in flash, you can still stop motion with flash duration due to light fall off.

Take a flash, and make a DIY diffuser (styrofoam plate, printer paper, etc) to spread the light out and take a few shots. You'll see a massive difference.

Stop down for depth of field and to limit ambient light. Control subject exposure with flash.

Very best,


My Flickr (external link) :: My Astrobin (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

3,459 views & 4 likes for this thread, 5 members have posted to it and it is followed by 3 members.
Help please?
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Macro 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is semonsters
1455 guests, 128 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.