latest APS-C cameras = 5Dmk2 ISO performance yet

Wondering if the latest APS-C offerings from whoever can match the quality of the 5Dmk2 images in lowlight, high ISO situations? I figure since the mk2's launch years ago, by now APS-C tech would have hopefully caught up. I guess the motive for me asking is a slight desire to get the M5 when its out. Would like to save a bit of space in my camera bag, add better low light processing than my olympus OMD (which really is only usable up to iso 800) and be in 1 system

The 7d2 and 80d will beat out the 5d2 in both high iso and pulled exposures from dark shadow .

I would say its pretty close but I feel the 5d2 is better than my 7d2. I rarely ever go beyond 3200 ISO and both are pretty good.

I would say that my X-Pro2 files are pretty close to what I got from my 6D, but opinions and tolerances on that vary.

I used to have the 5D2 and I currently own the 7D2. In terms of noise I'd say they are close enough. The bigger distinction comes in the feel/look that the two sensors produce and I tend to prefer those from the 5D2. It just has a quality I like. If the 5D2 performs within specifications for what you are doing (FPS, custom functions, etc.) I don't see any reason not to go with it.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18137310
I would say that my X-Pro2 files are pretty close to what I got from my 6D, but opinions and tolerances on that vary.

You mean that your files are close in terms of noise or overall image quality?

vwjoe76 wrote in post #18137333
You mean that your files are close in terms of noise or overall image quality?

Overall image quality.

The 6D shots showed a bit less noise/grain, but the noise patterns on the X-Pro2 files really don't bother me and the color fidelity is just as good if not better than it was with my 6D.

I would take my 5dmk2 over my 80D when still photography is concerned. To my eyes there is still noticeable clarity with the older 5dmk2. I'll say the IQ from the 80D is a big jump from the older 7dmk1/1dmk3 era.

Even though my 80D has decent high ISO performance the overall IQ I get with the 5dm2 still much better. This is using the same L lenses.

Please note I'm talking about CANON crop sensor. Sony, Nikon and fuji are in a different league still when you compare it to Canon's freshest crop sensor offering.

I've compared my Fuji bodies with my 80d w/ $$ lenses and I'll take the fuji files anyday!!! The way the fuji system captures life is extremely pleasant to my eyes.

Discussing ISO also ties in the overall IQ of a camera. AF performance is also part of the equation but this is sort of a different topic.

For casual photos (friends BBQ parties, birthdays etc) I'd go with a Canon 5dmk3 > 5dmk2, fuji X-T10 or X-E2, 80D as far as IQ is concerned. The fuji older 16mpx bodies I own produce rich depth that my Canon 80D cannot easily achieve.

Take it that I do not own the latest X-T2 fuji body. This is a camera that can easily take on my 5dmk2 for AF speed, 4k video with decent AF tracking and excellent high iso capabilities. The X-T2 does not trump the 80D dual pixel technology but otherwise I feel it substantially out performs my Canon 80D in other aspects.

Kaitanium, the M5 will be a good overall performer and apparently like a mini 80D. If video isn't a major concern with the dual pixel technology I'd spend more for a different mature system. I'd definitely spend more on an X-T2 over M5 simply due to lens quality and selection. So far I'd easily take a fuji crop sensor image of the X-T2 over M5 if your primary goal is still image quality.....this is coming from a loyal canon user.

Original 7D vs 5D2 ISO comparison (7D2 is nearly a stop better than the 7D).
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=930196

7D vs 5D3 ISO comparison
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1314127

7D2 vs 5D3 comparison (to show newer gen comparisons)
https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1437977

Hopefully this shows you the improvements on the 7D2 vs 7D, and if you feel it is close to the 5D3, we already know the 5D3 is better than the 5D2, so by the transitive argument the 7D2 is at least equal to, but most likely better than the 5D2, at least in noise handling (and especially in pulling up shadows). Other IQ differences due to FF DOF vs APS-C DOF would still obviously go over to the FF court.

Teamspeed,

How does the 80d rate in high iso vs 7d2?

If you compare a fuji X-t2 vs 5dmk3 look at the studio comparison shots in RAW

https://www.dpreview.c​om …428&y=-0.7520423227337257

The fuji x-t2 is quite impressive! Even my older fuji 16mpx sensor puts my 80D to shame to a certain extent.

I haven't had access to the 80D, but I think based on other back to back reviews I have seen across the forums, they are very close at high ISO comparisons.

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/14239​03 - for example

Fuji has had some very interesting offerings, and if I were to switch systems, that would be one I would seriously look at over Sony.

From DPReview, the 5D3 looks best noise performance, 5D2 slightly behind the X-T2, but better tones, 80D way last. Both X-T2 and 80D have a flatter tone set, simply less color and transition data.

Of course, this doesnt even take into account post processing, which may push/pull files.

Thanks for the advice all. This is helpful. I don't own any fuji stuff but I am a big fan of what they are doing and have done. If staying in one system wasn't a top priority for me then I'd be happy to get a fuji but alas, I rather stay with one system.

Good to know though apsc cameras are almost par with the veteran 5d2s I have. I really need more iso flexibility than my OMD can give. At least usable 1600 iso photos please

kaitanium wrote in post #18138374
Thanks for the advice all. This is helpful. I don't own any fuji stuff but I am a big fan of what they are doing and have done. If staying in one system wasn't a top priority for me then I'd be happy to get a fuji but alas, I rather stay with one system.

Good to know though apsc cameras are almost par with the veteran 5d2s I have. I really need more iso flexibility than my OMD can give. At least usable 1600 iso photos please

I owned an olympus E-m5 and it was extremely fun when mirrorless was a "newer" concept.

The fuji system is what replaced my M43 bodies. The quality of the photos in low light was a very good step in improvement with my fuji X-T10 and X-E2.

Not trying to cram Fuji down your through LOL!!! The portability is one of the biggest factors. My fuji x-t10 is roughly the same size as my former Oly E-m5.

If you go with an M5 your not really sticking with one system. You'd require an adapter to use non native lenses to use EF or EF-S lenses. This totally defeats the purpose of a smaller camera system. You honestly might as well buy a canon 80D or 7Dmk2.

If you shoot with a 5dmk2 and want a secondary canon camera I'd suggest going with a 6D as a slightly smaller/lighter canon body that uses same lenses. Not really a big game changer in size but the 6d will trump the 5dmk2 in high iso.

Throw a fuji x-T10 with fuji glass and you'd be pleasantly surprised in the improvements in high iso performance over your E-m5. This is one reason I switched because no M43 system can match a Fuji sensor's high iso capabilities.

Nothing is perfect but I've used one of my fuji bodies as a secondary camera while shooting car events. I was shocked how well it performed!! The 55-200 fuji lens worked beautifully which is as good as a canon 70-200 f/4is as far as image quality is concerned....rather bold statement but I feel it's true!!

https://www.dpreview.c​om …5391&y=0.160682​1492844288

i cant use the 6d haha, no joystick thing in the back to select focus and 4k shutter otherwise i would have dumped my 5D2 bodies and went all 6D. I was all googoo over the 6D reease back in the day until I found out about the joystick and the max shutter speed. I also truly wish canon put screens that could flip out on these full framer cams. I suspect they dont want to bite into their own marketshare that their apsc cameras are holding.

I wished DXO did tests on the fuji stuff. It would easily help me make a decision. Fujis stuff is also priced rather higher than my budget which was also a deciding factor for me too. Maybe i should look into it again. Honestly the low iso usability on my OMD is the most limiting factor. I would use that camera more if it did better in high iso. Its sort of worthless as a camera these days in terms of resale so its another reason why i still hold onto it.

But if I had to pay for fuji, i think i would just do the sony a7 series. to contradict myself a bit, ill sacrifice the lens sizes for that crazy iso those cams can do.