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Oct 04, 2016 15:31 |  #1

Looking to get a new laptop - probably the XPS 13. One of the big differences in model is the screen. Apart from touch, it is 1920x1080 or 3200x1800. My first reaction was to surely get the 3200x1800 as it would be better for photo+video viewing/editing. But is that in fact the case? If I load photos in and zoom, the 1:1 size (for example) would have the features displayed MUCH smaller on the high res version. What is the general view on screen resolution on laptops?

Also, based on the configurations, 16GB of ram is a PRICEY upgrade and apparently it's otherwise VERY difficult to upgrade ram. Is 8gb enough for photoshop+lightroom with the latest 7th gen CPUs?


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Oct 04, 2016 15:55 |  #2

I got an ultra high res monitor equipped laptop a few years back, and well, it is problematic.

Some applications can not scale up the menus and text to a point where they are readable. Sadly Photoshop is one of those apps. (I mean why would a graphics app be compatible with a high res monitor? the subscription version i understand fixed this)

After a few years of use, I can say that I am totally unable to see the upside of the ultra high res, but am regularly reminded of the downsides.


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Oct 04, 2016 16:08 |  #3

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I got an ultra high res monitor equipped laptop a few years back, and well, it is problematic.

Some applications can not scale up the menus and text to a point where they are readable.

After a few years of use, I can say that I am totally unable to see the upside of the ultra high res, but am regularly reminded of the downsides.

Last year I bought my sister a 12" laptop with ultra high res screen. She's an older woman and her eye sight isn't the best.
She has a problem reading and using the small fonts, menus, and scroll bars. Scaling helps but some web pages get kinda
of funky. Now I'm sorry I bought a high res screen.


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Oct 04, 2016 17:23 |  #4

As others have noted text might be scaled when Windows is told to enlarge text (i.e. 125%, 150%, etc) but applications software which does not rely upon Windows's scaling of characters that you need to set are problematic.

Keep in mind that any depiction of text. based upon character's fixed maxtrix size (e.g. 10x7) does not necessarily understand and accommodate a change in overall monitor pixel count. So if a 10x7 character looks great on a 13" monitor, if I put more total display area in the pixel count, my character size is reduced. 10/1024 vs. 10/2048 is 0.97% vs 0.58% when the monitor remains 15". A character would look identical in size if I compared 10 pixel character on a 15" 1024x768 monitor vs. a 30" 2048x1536 monitor.

  • I went from desktop 19" 1280x1024 monitor to 27" 2650x1440 monitor, all the characters are smaller in size on the new monitor, if both are used with Windows 7 text at 100%. That is because a doubling of pixel count accompanied by only 40% increase in monitor size makes a single character only 70% of its size on the old monitor. If I increase the Windows scaling to 125%, reading POTN on my browser looks fine with Chrome, but some other applications just don't display properly.


  • Simlarly, I purchased a 15" laptop and increased from 1280x1024 pixels to 1600x1400 15" laptop. Again, a 20% shrinking of a single character size. I had previously used a laptop with 15" 1400x1200 pixel count, which was quite livable, but the 1600x1400 is almost not manageable...perhaps because my eyes are 15 years older too.



So increasing the pixel count needs to have a somewhat proportional change in the overall monitor size as well, for readable text.

So, for the OP consideration of two 13" laptops, the text on the 1800V vs on the 1024V pixel monitor will be 45% smaller on the 1800V displayed webpage, or the 1800v laptop needs to have 45% larger size, or 18.8"

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Oct 04, 2016 17:25 |  #5

It's really nice for some things, but I have to agree that I'm not sure it's really worth it overall. Not enough software really works well enough with it. Doubt that's a Windows issue, it's just the software doesn't play along at this point.


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8 GB is too low nowadays. I experienced hiccups with LR and PS even when I had 16 GB.


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Oct 04, 2016 23:55 |  #7

I really wish the XPS13 were available with a 1080p touch screen.

Also, I believe one of the reviews I saw indicated that the 4k screen doesn't have the greatest color reproduction. Its also uses a lot more power.




  
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Oct 05, 2016 00:39 |  #8

mike_d wrote in post #18148688 (external link)
I really wish the XPS13 were available with a 1080p touch screen.

The OP stated, "Looking to get a new laptop - probably the XPS 13...It is 1920x1080 or 3200x1800". I'm puzzled.


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Oct 05, 2016 04:09 |  #9

I have recently got the Dell Ultrasharp UP2715K, a 5K monitor to go with my new Dell XPS 8900 computer. Since it is a new machine it comes with Win 10 which really seems to work well with scaling, much better than my friends 27" iMac with 2560×1440 monitor. I don't use a whole load of different programs, but I have only had issues with LR4 not supporting the resolution, and I was aware of that going in. It is hardly surprising that a program that predates the wide use of 2560×1440 displays as issues. Chrome works well and scales images correctly too, as does my old copy of Office 2007. My friend actually has to run his monitor at less than native resolution on his iMac, and even with his old 15" Win 7 laptop, which isn't even 1920×1080 resolution. The Win 10 scaling system is very good, and not only is it easy to set up my display so that he can read it easily, it looks super, since it is still running at 5120×2880 pixels, and so the font smoothing is out of this world. He was talking about getting another mac, but looking at Win 10 scaling along with his eyesight issues that would be a much better option.

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Oct 05, 2016 07:05 |  #10

If you use the laptop a lot the I would recommend a high res display. It is one of your most important interfaces on your computer and the difference is visible. As for scaling: Most newer software scale well (in my case LR6 and the latest version of FastStone) and it is only a pain, if you need or insist in working with older software versions.


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Oct 05, 2016 10:27 |  #11

Wilt wrote in post #18148708 (external link)
The OP stated, "Looking to get a new laptop - probably the XPS 13...It is 1920x1080 or 3200x1800". I'm puzzled.

On the XPS13, the 1080p screen is matte non touch. The high res display is touch and I believe glossy. I wish I had the option of a 1080p touch screen.




  
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Oct 06, 2016 10:14 |  #12

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I very highly recommend the highest resolution screen you can get. If anything appears too small, you just hit COMMAND and 4 at the same time to zoom in. When you do zoom in, there are so many pixels that text appears very rich and smooth and clean - just reading a document ends up being an aesthetic pleasure!

For about a year now, I have been using a retina 5k display, and have experienced no disadvantages whatsoever. No scaling problems at all, ever, with anything.

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Oct 06, 2016 12:36 |  #13

I did end up choosing the 3200x1800 res option - the 1080p is also matte, and although I don't enjoy glare and every other screen I *currently* have is matte, gonna try glossy for the laptop screen. It is also really slick :)


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Oct 06, 2016 12:40 |  #14

kaitlyn2004 wrote in post #18149971 (external link)
I did end up choosing the 3200x1800 res option - the 1080p is also matte, and although I don't enjoy glare and every other screen I *currently* have is matte, gonna try glossy for the laptop screen. It is also really slick :)

I find glossy screens typically have more saturation and contrast. They definitely have more "pop". But things like overhead lights and windows behind you are trouble because the screen is so reflective.




  
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Oct 06, 2016 14:09 |  #15

kaitlyn2004 wrote in post #18149971 (external link)
I did end up choosing the 3200x1800 res option - the 1080p is also matte, and although I don't enjoy glare and every other screen I *currently* have is matte, gonna try glossy for the laptop screen. It is also really slick :)

Those XPS 13s are nice machines. I had the 3200x1800 version briefly before I decided to trade up for the 4K XPS 15.


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