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Oct 13, 2016 10:07 |  #1

hey everyone, my friend recently had a baby, and they are looking to get a better camera...i know budget is important, but not sure how much they are willing to spend, so i'd cap it at $1,000 max

they need something easy to use, so i'm thinking it needs a touch screen that'll focus...i was thinking of letting them use my eos-m, but i only have the 22mm for it, just wondering what else is out there since i'm pretty bad at knowing any of the other brands

any suggestions will be appreciated


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Oct 13, 2016 10:45 |  #2

A Canon Digital Rebel T5 (external link) is a good choice. Low price and high capacity. Few features to confound a newcomer. Example shown with a Tamron 18-270mm lens.

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Oct 13, 2016 11:45 |  #3

For a basic camera that will produce quality family pics in available light and be small enough to be pocket able I would recommend the Sony RX100.

For an ILC camera I would consider the Panasonic G85 kit.




  
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Oct 13, 2016 18:35 |  #4

dalto wrote in post #18155883 (external link)
For a basic camera that will produce quality family pics in available light and be small enough to be pocket able I would recommend the Sony RX100.

For an ILC camera I would consider the Panasonic G85 kit.

I second the Sony rx100, I would go for ver iii...would fit in a pocket or purse, and you can use green auto, canned modes, or manual....I have a Nikon dslr, Fuji x100t, and the original rx100, that I use 90% of the time.
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Oct 13, 2016 22:51 |  #5

thanks everyone, i may let them borrow my eos-m and see if that works for them


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Oct 14, 2016 12:48 |  #6

To me face recognition is more effective than touch screen for kids photography. Plus auto capability and size. I like my little old Panasonic Lumix for this and would like to recommend Panasonic LX100. Leica lens on it has good rendering for kids, portraits.


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Oct 14, 2016 18:48 |  #7

Any Rebel or Nikon equivalent with the 18-55mm IS and 55-250mm IS lenses will be a great place for them to start. I started with the XSi in 2008 and I still think it would be a great camera for someone to start off with even now. You don't need bells and whistles and touch screens and all that jazz to start. That's what point and shoots and camera phones are for.


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Oct 14, 2016 18:53 |  #8

I will also add that a super zoom like the Tamron 18-270 VC or Sigma 18-250 OS HSM would be a great lens for average joe's. No lens switching and a one lens does all.


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Oct 14, 2016 18:57 |  #9

the reason i mention the touch screen and all that is that i don't think she's going to want to get that into the actual photography aspect of it...i don't think she's going to want to invest a lot of time in learning how to use the camera...doubt an SLR is in the works

she says her phone just isn't cutting it right now and is looking for something better


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Oct 14, 2016 20:51 |  #10

A P&S is sounding more her size then. But a cheap entry DSLR with a super zoom that allows for no lens swapping could still be on the menu. Just use it in auto mode and treat it like a P&S.


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Oct 15, 2016 03:18 |  #11

I would recommend point and shoot for a newborn, forget the brand, forget the features, they are "all the same".

What you need is usability (battery life and connectivity). Yes, you'll cherish these pictures forever, but they will all be static, close-up and relatively easy to capture. However, you'll want to easily get the images onto a phone/computer/web for the grandparents. Get one with wifi (and bluetooth).

Also choose something with proven integration - do you have an iPhone? No, seriously, my wife has been through 3 really good p&s, but now she only uses the iPhone ("too much hassle"). The kids don't use theirs because the battery is out, or it's a hassle using a card reader.

If you want a dedicated camera, great, check the wifi app, check the reviews for the app, some are less than flattering. Consider other features - are you in the southern, warmer states? How about a waterproof camera (with wifi) for beach/swimming/durabil​ity - there are some photographic compromises. Make sure it is drop proof (the camera, not the baby).

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Having "gotten the bug", these kids realise that "the other baby" is on the flip-side of the camera, they want to see the image before it is taken!
Time to buy an SLR with faster focussing, startup and minimal shutter lag - do this before they are 2-years old or you will miss priceless moments (OK "mummy" won't/didn't, but I'm trying to capture this at the same time, and failed!)


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Oct 15, 2016 04:16 |  #12

I'd recommend a Sony A6XXX (6000, 6300, 6500), they're brilliant for the price and take great photo's very easily. Vastly superior to regular P & S's and easily comparable to entry-level DSLR's.


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Oct 16, 2016 14:23 |  #13

EOS-M + 22 stm is a good primer into the image quality aspect. Respectable IQ in all light levels, simple enough for a kid to use green box, small jpg easily beats any point and shoot in IQ, and night and day compared to cell phone.


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Oct 17, 2016 09:14 |  #14

I'm surprised that somebody hasn't piped up and told the OP to save more money and buy a 5DIII and a 70-300L. A bit of morning sarcasm. I couldn't help myself. :p




  
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Oct 18, 2016 11:11 |  #15

For an interchangeable lens camera I'd recommend looking into a fuji X-T10/ or x-e2s with 18-55 f/2.8-4.0 kit lens. Please not these 16mpx fuji bodies are not known for video or fast action sports documenation. I personally feel the image quality from this crop sensor is very close to my canon 5dmk2/3 in good light. I honestly never thought I'd say such a thing regarding crop sensors!!!!

It has the onboard flash. Infact the X-E2s can manually prop the flash upwards to bounce off the ceiling!!!

Using the 18mm range of the kit lens a person is capable of shooting f/2.8 (in a kit lens!!) Image quality of this lens is right up there with the older generation Canon 24-70L mk1 and 24-104 f/4IS !! The kit lens is aprox $300 when purchased in a kit.

The beauty of mirrorless is tack sharp images with no back/front focus issues found in traditional dslr's.

A safe no brainer is probably the rx100 for point and shoot. I'd take a step forward an go with a mirrorless system though.

Nice thing about the canon M series is that you can use an adapter (if you must) and use other canon lenses or even Canon flashes. Native glass is my only issue with that system.

To my eyes I'd take my fuji system with 18-55 kit lens over my Canon 80D with 16-35Lmk2 ANYDAY!! However if I was to suggest a Canon dslr for family/hobbyist the more expensive 80D opens up camcorder "like" video with phenomenal dual pixel Autofocus. Image quality is very good and you have micro adjust so you can tweak the system if you have front/back focus. Battery life is also fantastic. Tonnes of lens selection and due to the maturity of the dslr you have alot of excellent used lenses for sale. My 80D is just slightly larger than my previous Panasonic micro 4/3 GH3 body!!

b&h has great deal on an 80D with 18-55, extra battery , sd card for 1249. I paid alot more in Canada just for that body!!!!!!

For video and very good image quality the 80D is a great universal body for families (sports/ 1080 video) and even for professional use. Only regret is the slightly larger weight factor.

In the 1000 buck range (emphasis on still images)I still feel the Fuji 16mpx with 18-55 kit lens produces the best images in that price range. The 18-55 lens should not be classified as a kit lens IMO.

Ask your friend the real budget in mind.....


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