Awesome looking computer

ShotByTom wrote in post #18172205
I would love to see an iMac with these features. If it works as well as the iPad/AstroPad, then it would be awesome! Cracks me up when people complain about fingerprints...I don't think they realize you can actually clean the screen!

I use an iPad for e-mails and general Internet browsing. 5 minutes after cleaning the screen, it has finger prints all over it. I'd go nuts if I had to process my images with finger prints all over the screen....and I'd go nuts if I had to clean the screen every 5 minutes to remove the finger prints.

No thanks to a touch screen for my image processing!

Well, my point is that you don't have to clean it every 5 minutes. I use the 12" iPad Pro for editing along with the Apple Pencil. Fingerprints are not a problem. Even if I had bad OCD, it wouldn't be a problem. I can't imagine why you would edit photos with your fingers...

ShotByTom wrote in post #18172364
Well, my point is that you don't have to clean it every 5 minutes. I use the 12" iPad Pro for editing along with the Apple Pencil. Fingerprints are not a problem. Even if I had bad OCD, it wouldn't be a problem. I can't imagine why you would edit photos with your fingers...

Then I guess I don't understand what the touchscreen is for. If I use the system for image editing and you say you don't use the touch for editing...what exactly would I use the touch screen for?

Hogloff wrote in post #18172730
Then I guess I don't understand what the touchscreen is for.

The pen.

You would still need to rest your hand/arm on the screen with a pen for the finest movement control. Sooner or later, puck or not, that screen will get smudged. Simply not practical for a designer or photo editor. I use a pen in my right hand and do my mouse and keyboard shortcuts with my left hand - I have yet to find a better system. Unless someone invents another mouse for my toes...

I have never heard a single complaint from people using Cintiq tablets for editing. I use my iPad Pro all the time...it's really not a problem!

greyswan wrote in post #18173240
Simply not practical for a designer or photo editor.

Definitely.

Not.

Practical.

For.

Designers.

Or.

Photo editors.



Just admit it isn't for you. And if smudges are too much for some, in those videos some have a partial glove for the hand to glide over the screen to prevent oil smudges.

I am dumbfounded that so many people are resisting to seeing the practicality in this tool and then trying to play it off as if no one would use such a device, when Wacom's very flagship product is exactly what the Surface Studio is.

Bleufire wrote in post #18173415

greyswan wrote in post #18173240
Simply not practical for a designer or photo editor.

Definitely.

Not.

Practical.

For.

Designers.

Or.

Photo editors.



Just admit it isn't for you. And if smudges are too much for some, in those videos some have a partial glove for the hand to glide over the screen to prevent oil smudges.

I am dumbfounded that so many people are resisting to seeing the practicality in this tool and then trying to play it off as if no one would use such a device, when Wacom's very flagship product is exactly what the Surface Studio is.

I think it's great, but would rather see it as a monitor option, that you can plug a either a full size tower, or a small form factor system into. One of the reasons that I just went with a Dell XPS 8900 plus the UP2715K (5120×2880) monitor combination over the 5K iMac was that after years of using a laptop based system, with loads of external drives I wanted it all in the one box. Oh and I got i7 not i5 processor, 16 GB not 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD as well as a 2 TB HDD, not one or the other, for basically the same price. I shall be putting another 256 GB SSD in there for my LR catalogue and previews. The tower sits comfortably alongside my desk and no more desk clutter.

Alan

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Bleufire wrote in post #18173415
Just admit it isn't for you.

I don't think that is a problem; several of us have not only admitted, but stated emphatically, that is it not for us. No one here has been hesitant to make such an admission.

Bleufire wrote in post #18173415
And if smudges are too much for some........

Smudges too much for some..........hmmm - of course they're too much! I can't imagine that anyone would tolerate a smudge on their monitor if they are trying to use it for any type of design or editing work. Seeing fine detail in a crystal-clear manner is far too important to such work; any smudging at all would be very, very counter-productive.

Bleufire wrote in post #18173415
........... in those videos some have a partial glove for the hand to glide over the screen to prevent oil smudges.

That glove thing looks like the perfect solution! It looks as though, by wearing the glove, that one could use the touch features to their fullest, and yet be sure that no skin would ever make contact with any part of the screen.

All skin has at least some oil in it, even immediately after washing with detergent. This fact makes that glove apparatus very beneficial, if absolute clarity is to be maintained at all times.

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greyswan wrote in post #18173240
Simply not practical for a designer or photo editor.

Definitely.

Not.

Practical.

For.

Designers.

Or.

Photo editors.




Quite right, it isn't for me. Certainly I'm not stopping anyone else from using it if that's their preference - enjoy! No need to hammer me over the head with my own words I would enjoy seeing someone using it on a real project, it would be most interesting to see how the ergonomics et al work out.

As for gloves, though, it's certainly a solution, but donning gloves each time I get up for a cuppa would be a royal pain. I'm a housewares product designer, the first thing I look at is ease of use and ergonomics, so I'm always assessing drawbacks first when I'm looking at new products. The kind of designing I do requires that I match colors precisely to Pantone books - smudges on a monitor would definitely hinder that process, along with examining very fine product details and textures. So yes, smudges are very important to some of us.

My solution for smudges would be simply to incorporate a rolling aluminum mahl stick to the sides for hand support similar to the ones used on drafting tables - if they add that to the design, I might consider using one if it actually helped my workflow. But then, I don't buy things for the bling factor, I buy them for potential improvements in my work. If it does that, I'll be first in line.

Bling factor...


Smudges are NOT an issue! Geez...Gotta love it when people who have never used the product get pompous and condescending because other people don't do it their way! If you've never used a true graphics tablet, not a pen tablet...a graphics tablet, then you have no idea how invaluable these are.

Certainly, you can use a mouse or pen tablet and they work very well with photoshop, but a graphics tablet paired with photoshop is totally different experience.

I have used many Cintiq tablets. As I stated, not my preferred choice. Pretty much tried everything out there in my thirty years of design work, not to mention learning and using around about forty or so different programs - 3D as well as Adobe and others - so Photoshop is only a small part of my workflow. I'm as interested as you obviously are in new products, and I don't have any bias to new approaches in hardware and software. But I also know what I can't live with, very well.

My intent, by the way, was not to be pompous and condescending, but only to offer my opinion and also hopefully point out a consideration that some buyers may not have considered, especially if they are as OCD as myself regarding clean screens, sorry you took it that way.

I hope your new touch screen turns out to be everything you hoped for, and since smudged screens don't bother you, you are the perfect market for that style of computer. Enjoy.

Cheers,
Chris.

Talking about computer in this forum is like talking with elderly people in a retirement house.

Most of the members here are 'too old school' with PC tech. Everyone will trash talk about the tech based on their subjective view.

Surface Studio is not for those old school POTN members. I get it.

Let the innovative youngsters use the Surface Studio to their fullest potential & share their awesome work to the world.

virsago_mk2 wrote in post #18176357
Talking about computer in this forum is like talking with elderly people in a retirement house.

Most of the members here are 'too old school' with PC tech. Everyone will trash talk about the tech based on their subjective view.

Surface Studio is not for those old school POTN members. I get it.

Let the innovative youngsters use the Surface Studio to their fullest potential & share their awesome work to the world.

Oh...you are talking about the young geeky people more impressed with new technology flash and less with the end product these tools help achieve. These geeks need...yes need the latest greatest tech as it's more about having the flashy new toy than having tools to accomplish your task.

It's these same geeks that line up for days so they can be the first to have the latest tech...yeh the likes of MS and Apple really know these geeks and feed into them all the time.

virsago_mk2 wrote in post #18176357
Talking about computer in this forum is like talking with elderly people in a retirement house.

Most of the members here are 'too old school' with PC tech. Everyone will trash talk about the tech based on their subjective view.

Surface Studio is not for those old school POTN members. I get it.

Let the innovative youngsters use the Surface Studio to their fullest potential & share their awesome work to the world.

Totally agree with you. How ever are we going to make advancements if we don't innovate.