The glass you will keep for a long time if you choose well. Chances are after 2 or 3 years you will be itching to get a new body.
I owned a 300 /2.8L IS for 7 years, sold it 2 years ago and still occasionally miss it. That would be my first choice. 
Nov 01, 2016 09:27 | #16 The glass you will keep for a long time if you choose well. Chances are after 2 or 3 years you will be itching to get a new body. Canon G1X II, 1D MKIV, 5DSR, 5DIV, 5D MKII, 16-35/2.8L II, 24-70/2.8L II, 70-200/2.8L IS II, IS, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS II, 500/4 L IS II, 24-105/4 IS, 50/2.5 macro, 1.4x MKII, 1.4X MKIII, 2X MKIII,580EX II, 550EXs(2), ST-E2.
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MalVeauX "Looks rough and well used"  More info | Nov 01, 2016 11:17 | #17 DJHaze596 wrote in post #18172590  I might actually go that route, I can always get my 1DX / 1DX II / or 5D IV the following month or in January. but an extra $3,000 for what? Sharpness wise they look identical. Save the $3k.
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Nov 01, 2016 12:45 | #18 Getting the 1DX and 300 f2.8 IS V1 is going to be tight on budget via fees and shipping. I've always wanted the 1DX since launch however I have no doubt the 5D Mark IV is better in every way expect FPS and buffer of course. I was told the 1D Mark IV AF was identical to the 7D Mark II and having owned both, the 7D Mark II is so much better especially with AF. So I am taking that same aspect with the 1DX vs 5D Mark IV as their isn't any comparisons available. So after selling my 7D Mark II, I can get the 5D Mark IV and 300mm f2.8L IS USM but I won't have enough budget to fit a 1.4 TC which means I will have the same reach as my 7D II and 70-200. This is frustrating lol. Canon 1DX | EF 17-40 f4L | EF 50 STM | EF 85 f1.8 | EF 70-200 f2.8L IS II
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bildeb0rg Goldmember  More info | Nov 01, 2016 15:13 | #19 Used 200-400 f4? I know its not f2.8 but based on you last comment its reach you want.
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CyberDyneSystems Admin (type T-2000)  More info | Nov 01, 2016 15:19 | #20 DJHaze596 wrote in post #18172483 ...I am an all around shooter and reach is not always an issue because I am not completely dedicated to Wildlife. I shoot literally everything. ...I agree with your choice, this definitely sounds like the 300mm is the way to go. GEAR LIST
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DJHaze596 THREAD STARTER Goldmember  More info Post edited over 6 years ago by DJHaze596. (3 edits in all) | Nov 01, 2016 17:02 | #21 bildeb0rg wrote in post #18173081 Used 200-400 f4? I know its not f2.8 but based on you last comment its reach you want. Being that my budget is $6,000 that lens won't be an option. CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18173086 I agree with your choice, this definitely sounds like the 300mm is the way to go. Yeah I might go with the 300, looks to be my best option. Canon 1DX | EF 17-40 f4L | EF 50 STM | EF 85 f1.8 | EF 70-200 f2.8L IS II
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mkkaczy Senior Member  More info | Nov 03, 2016 11:44 | #22 I am using 400/2.8 L IS for wildlife and BIF (all pic on my website are taken with 400mm lenses). I like 400mm so much, that it is my third one, coming from 400/5.6 -> 400/2.8L II non is -> 400/2.8 L IS. It's a great lens, but only if you would use hides. Forget about hand hold shots. I am quite a big guy, but can take only one sharp picture and my hands start shaking after few seconds. Also, buying such heavy lens you need to buy some other expensive accessories, like strong backpack, tripod, head. http://500px.com/mkkaczy
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amfoto1 Cream of the Crop 10,331 posts Likes: 146 Joined Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, California More info Post edited over 6 years ago by amfoto1. (2 edits in all) | Nov 06, 2016 11:02 | #23 DJHaze596 wrote in post #18172044 Hello I am on the fence on what lens to get next. I have $6,000 budget but before we go any further. I am very happy with the 7D Mark II so I am more so looking for a lens than a Camera however I will explain below why the 1DX is in the title. Anyway I am an all around photographer but really getting into Sports, Motorsports, and Wildlife therefore a new lens is on my mind. I have been debating one of the big whites for months and right before Thanksgiving I need to make up my mind. My dream lens has always been the 300mm f2.8 however I feel like 200mm from my 70-200 is too close to really benefit from it. So now I am thinking of the 400 f2.8 IS Version 1 to which I saw for $4800 on Usedphotopro in great condition (It already Sold!). The problem with the 400mm is the weight being at almost 12 pounds. I like to run and gun and there is no way I will be able to hand hold that lens all day. Sure I can get a Monopod and would have no issues doing so but what about birds in flight? I am going to look silly with the lens and monopod in the air trying to capture a bird in the sky  My next option is the 500 f4 and I hear it is very hand hold-able but judging by The Digital Picture lens chart. It's not as sharp as the 300 or 400. Also I would prefer to stay with f2.8's because of the crop factor on the 7D Mark II. Now the 1DX, I was thinking I can get the 1DX and 300mm f2.8 IS Version 1 and be very happy but consider this. 1DX with the 300mm f2.8 will be the same focal length as the 70-200 at 200mm on my 7D Mark II. So although the 1DX will do much better in low light and AF, I am not gaining in reach. I know I will need a 1DX down the road to shoot any High School football at night however I can easily get one the following month or in January. I would rather focus on lenses first this time around and my keeper rate on the 7D Mark II is over 90% so again, Very happy with the Auto Focus System. It only lacks a bit in High ISO.Any thoughts? First, 7DII has very usable high ISO. If you are having problems with it, you really need to look at your workflow, not the camera.  That test was shot RAW. Light was from a small window and single 60 watt CFL bulb, both over 10 feet away. The camera was at it's default NR settings and the RAW file was converted to JPEG with Lightroom 6 at the software's default settings. I did take some care to avoid under-exposure, because that will always increase the appearance of noise. Yes, there is some noise visible when you look at a 100% crop from the image. But, really, that's way more enlargement and much greater magnification than I'm likely to ever need displaying any of my images. The largest prints I've sold have been 16x24". For most purposes, ISOs that were unheard of a few years ago are fully usable. I shot an entire event with 7DIIs at ISO 8000 and 16000. For some finished images I did a little additonal post-processing with a Photoshop plug-in "Noiseware" filter that makes for even better than the above and had no problem what-so-ever, making 8x10s and smaller prints from those images. Even larger prints... 11x14 or 13x19... would be possible with high ISO 7DII shots. So, I'd suggest you experiment with your 7DII and 80D to see how they perform at high ISOs.... making "real world" end-products with them, not just pixel-peeping the images. As to lenses... I have and use 300/2.8L IS and 500/4L IS... though not a lot for sports anymore. Anyone who tells you they are "handholdable" is talking about just taking a couple quick shots with either lens... Sure. That's possible. These folks are definitely not standing, holding these lenses and taking shots for hours on end at a typical sporting event (or sitting in a blind with the lens waiting for wildlife)! Shooting for longer periods of time, you are going to need a tripod or at least a monopod with these lenses... period. They make you less mobile. My "go to" lenses for sports shooting with APS-C cameras are: 300/4L IS, 70-200/4L IS, 70-200/2.8L IS USM and.... recently added... EF 100-400L Mark II. The 300/4L IS is quite good and can be used with a quality 1.4X teleconverter. It's also only a smidgen longer than a 70-200/2.8, about the same diameter and weight. It's pretty easily handheld, all day long. The 100-400L II is excellent, too (haven't tried it with any teleconverter yet).... Love the versatility of a zoom, when it's possible. I have used it handheld for some hours of shooting, but it's larger and heavier than either 70-200/2.8 or 300/4, so I've also put it on a monopod or tripod at times. It's not as heavy and large as 300/2.8 (and definitely more compact than 500/4). It also is not "internal focusing/zooming", grows longer as you zoom out to 400mm. And, it's an f4.5-f5.6 lens... a stop slower than the 300/4 or 500/4 at the most comparable focal lengths. Actually the 100-400L II might take place of a 70-200 (I'm keeping both of mine, though.... because there are plenty of times I want the smaller zooms and/or their larger apertures). Sometimes now when I'm using the 100-400L on one of my 7DII, I'll use either 24-70/2.8 or 28-135 lens on my second camera (where I used 70-200 and 300mm combo a lot previously). I do like the speed and versatility of a long zoom! Especially when I only have about 10 seconds to get a series of 40 to 50 shots of a subject at full gallop that's first distant, then close and then somewhere in between:    An alternative might be the Sigma 120-300/2.8 "Sports", which is said to work very well with a 1.4X TC, if needed. However, that lens is a considerably larger and heavier lens than the 100-400L II. I love the image quality of the 300/2.8L and 500/4L... but IMO they aren't always the best choice for sports.   (Especially considering it was over a mile uphill hike to parking at the end of the day! Not to mention that his lens cost about 5X as much as mine.) Alan Myers
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DJHaze596 THREAD STARTER Goldmember More info Post edited over 6 years ago by DJHaze596. (2 edits in all) | Nov 07, 2016 09:46 | #24 amfoto1 wrote in post #18177321 First, 7DII has very usable high ISO. If you are having problems with it, you really need to look at your workflow, not the camera. This is test shot with 7DII at ISO 16000....  Not having problems with it at all, I've owned the 6D for years before the 7D II and miss the full frame ISO goodness that's all and If I am being honest, That picture looks awful but respectfully it's at 16,000 ISO so fair enough however my thing with crop is not the noise. I've been using Photoshop for 15 years, I know how to process my images. It's Color Detail that annoys me. Shooting the 7D Mark II over 2500 ISO and you really start to notice Color lost where on the 6D for example it's fine until 6400 ISO. Also I have owned the 300 f4L twice and it is unusable at f4. I strictly used that lens for years at f5-f8 only and now that I own the 70-200 IS II, I will never touch the 300 f4L again. The 70-200 is sharper at every aperture and more importantly its f2.8. Canon 1DX | EF 17-40 f4L | EF 50 STM | EF 85 f1.8 | EF 70-200 f2.8L IS II
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Nov 07, 2016 11:40 | #25 500f4 would be my pick, such a cool lens Sony A7siii/A7iv/ZV-1 - FE 24/1.4 - SY 24/2.8 - FE 35/2.8 - FE 50/1.8 - FE 85/1.8 - F 600/5.6 - CZ 100-300 - Tamron 17-28/2.8 - 28-75/2.8 - 28-200 RXD
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Nov 07, 2016 17:33 | #26 Charlie wrote in post #18178266 500f4 would be my pick, such a cool lens Would probably be my choice too especially with a 1DX Mark II. Canon 1DX | EF 17-40 f4L | EF 50 STM | EF 85 f1.8 | EF 70-200 f2.8L IS II
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Nov 14, 2016 05:25 | #27 Your sig confuses me. A7rIII | A7III | 12-24 F4 | 16-35 GM | 28-75 2.8 | 100-400 GM | 12mm 2.8 Fisheye | 35mm 2.8 | 85mm 1.8 | 35A | 85A | 200mm L F2 IS | MC-11
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Nov 14, 2016 22:44 | #28 Talley wrote in post #18183886 Your sig confuses me. 300 on FF is way too short for what you listed. 400 2.8 is my suggestion and it dubs as a very awesome 560mm F4 lens with a 1.4x also. I've used it for sports and wildlife. Heavy but good combo and monopod makes it manageable. Don't sell yourself short... Sorry, I went with the 1DX Mark II, Getting it next week. Selling 7D Mark II currently and most likely going with a 400 f2.8 or 500 f4 the following month. Canon 1DX | EF 17-40 f4L | EF 50 STM | EF 85 f1.8 | EF 70-200 f2.8L IS II
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