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Nov 01, 2016 23:46 |  #1

Does anyone know the amount of lumens from an old time flash with flash powder. The reason I'm asking a theater dept can't have flame or sparks do to the fire marshal and they need and old time flash appearance so they want use led flash and smoke but need to know the lumens so the are close


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Nov 02, 2016 18:37 |  #2

I have actually used flash powder twice, back in the 1950s. Very unusual requirements which meant that PF100 flashbulbs were insufficiently powerful.
Unfortunately, I can't remember very much about the stuff other than

  • it was supplied as two parts, mixed before the user immediately prior to use. The actual output varied vastly depending on the accuracy of mixing (difficult in the field!)
  • measurement of the combined volume used tended to be 'empirical' - approximating the "spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down" school of accuracy. The tendency was always to use 'just a bit more'.
  • whether the powder was spread along a trough or in a heap reportedly made a considerable difference to the light output.
While these three characteristics in themselves may be only vaguely pertinent to your current need, the point is that the lumen output could/did vary hugely from one shot to the next - speed tolerance built into the film was very useful in this respect. This was where the experience factor became relevant. I'd venture that it'd be almost impossible to quantify light output to any useful level - for your purposes, I'd suggest that almost any appreciable flash coupled with a goodly amount of smoke would suffice.

As an aside, using flash powder in a railway tunnel vent chamber with over 100 years soot accumulation overhead taught me very rapidly how to run extremely fast carrying a tripod mounted heavy medium format camera (actually the one in my avatar). British Railways matte black soot trumps Olympic Gold over short distances. :oops: I found absolutely NO desire to accumulate any degree of expertise with flash powder!

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Nov 02, 2016 22:27 as a reply to  @ Whortleberry's post |  #3

That's more information than they currently have....thank you...


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Nov 03, 2016 16:31 |  #4

stanclark wrote in post #18174332 (external link)
That's more information than they currently have....thank you...

You're welcome. Sorry I couldn't be more specific.


Phil ǁ Kershaw Soho Reflex: 4¼" Ross Xpres, 6½" Aldis, Super XX/ABC Pyro in 24 DDS, HP3/Meritol Metol in RFH, Johnson 'Scales' brand flash powder. Kodak Duo Six-20/Verichrome Pan. Other odd bits over the decades, simply to get the job done - not merely to polish and brag about cos I'm too mean to buy the polish!
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