On1 RAW as a replacement or supplement to Lightroom?

john crossley wrote in post #18191761
So don't you think that that might be the reason that LR is slow in operation and not actually due to LR itself.

Maybe in part, but the earlier versions ran much quicker and I haven't found any bells and whistles that would warrant slowing things down. In a perfect world every time a new and more bloated piece of software came out I would just run right out and upgrade hardware. Sadly though that isn't my reality; I try to make what I have work and /or find the most cost efficient way to do what indeed to do.

ON1 RAW

By reading this thread and another, it is apparent that many people will be jumping on the ON1 RAW package when I is released tomorrow (11/23)

It would be nice if somebody would start a thread about it and people testing it would post to it.

Something literal such as "Review of the new ON1 RAW"

Maybe some hints and tips, too.

I, personally, would be interested in knowing how it stacks up to Adobe's PV 2012 - specifically how good it is at pulling highs down and lows up.

So, I've been trying to "track" this stuff, although I myself have not resorted to other programs/plugins, but to me a huge question:

People talk about the OnOne Raw processor being "non-destructive", nice, but does that work when switching from OnOne to, say, Lightroom? In other words, does LR "keep" the Raw file with the OnOne edits intact, or do you need OnOne to convert to a Tiff or PSD so that the edited image will be available and used in any way?

I ask because a huge reason that I tend to avoid editing in Photoshop or other LR plugins is that it necessitates saving a Tiff/PSD file alongside the Raw file, which, well, ends up with a huge file storage situation and necessitates a switching of our workflow from working with the Raw files to working with the bigger Tiff/PSD files, and that isn't my preferred workflow unless I really need a dedicated pixel edit!!

So, any input there?

From the ON1 Blog FAQ. Perhaps a partial answer?

"One of the big changes in ON1 Photo RAW is it can be used as a non-destructive editor too. That means the original photo on disk doesn’t change when you make edits to it in the application. This makes editing faster, takes up less hard drive space and makes it easier to re-edit or apply the same settings to many photos. When you use ON1 Photo RAW as a standalone application, any photos you edit in Browse, Develop or Effects, will be stored non-destructively.

This raises a questions on how you can integrate ON1 Photo RAW into your workflow. Let’s try to answer them.

Q: I’m a Lightroom user, how will I use ON1 Photo RAW?

A: Lightroom is a wonderful application and is the heart of many workflows. ON1 Photo RAW will be the perfect companion to Lightroom. By using it as a plug-in you can extend your Lightroom workflow with a range of new tools and effects Lightroom doesn’t offer. You will continue to use Lightroom for your organizing, raw processing and basic adjustments. When you want to do special effects, portrait retouching, compositing or advanced masking you will send you photos from Lightroom to Photo RAW seamlessly with the included plug-ins. When you finish your work, it will return to Lightroom and show your finished results. Using ON1’s unique Smart Photo technology you can re-edit your results down the road if you want."

As I read this, it appears the non-destructive editing occurs only when the app is used as a Standalone. So as a plugin to LR, PS, perhaps the answer is no.

john crossley wrote in post #18191761
So don't you think that that might be the reason that LR is slow in operation and not actually due to LR itself.

I don't. LR is always the slowest thing on any computer build I have ever had.

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #18192013
From the ON1 Blog FAQ. Perhaps a partial answer?

"One of the big changes in ON1 Photo RAW is it can be used as a non-destructive editor too. That means the original photo on disk doesn’t change when you make edits to it in the application. This makes editing faster, takes up less hard drive space and makes it easier to re-edit or apply the same settings to many photos. When you use ON1 Photo RAW as a standalone application, any photos you edit in Browse, Develop or Effects, will be stored non-destructively....

I don't understand how this is different from every RAW editor that ever has been released? Nothing in this sentence explains anything different from the first RAW editors to ever come bundled with a camera.

I am looking for ward to this software, and am anxious to try it.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18192018
I don't. LR is always the slowest thing on any computer build I have ever had.

I have to disagree with you. I use a 6 year old Mac with an i5 processor and 4gb of ram running LRCC and i can't fault the performance of either the Mac or LR.
Maybe my perception of speed is different to yours.

One more thing I'll chime in on!

I've seen numerous complaints about Adobe Support. Well, I can't comment on that except to note that in my two times of needing Adobe Support, and popping up during their "active" time, I've gotten help! Once over the phone, and once in the online "chat", once was for Photoshop installation in the old MS Vista OS, another just getting some assistance, but anyway, Support was "there". then, even though Adobe is a large company and with Photoshop as well as their other products there must be a whole lot of complex issues to sort through!

But one thing I want to bring up, and that is the performance of the Lightroom (and ACR) "team" in addressing and resolving issues.

Going back to the early days, some of us in the LR Users Forum used to chat about how nice it would be to have "this feature" or "that feature"! However, it was all "pie in the sky" chatting, knowing the complexities of the Camera Raw engine having to first render the Raw data competently and then applying the existing adjustments in a "non-destructive" way. We were so impressed by all that LR was doing in its early releases, we couldn't imagine some of the "stuff" we were dreaming about!

But I will say: the Lightroom team has paid attention! It's true that minor version upgrades only come out every three months, and then the Major Version upgrades every year or so -- Oh Well. But the point is that those upgrades show real work, both in the 3-month minor versions, and then especially when a new major version gets released!

I don't know how these things work, whether a lot comes from the Users Forum, a lot from their "Bug Fix Request" forum, a lot from their online service requests -- I don't know, but the point is that I've been very HAPPY with what the team has accomplished over the years! In fact, some of the things that we would chat about in the old days, the "in your dreams" stuff, came out during the Version 2 release, and even more in the Version 3 release, I have thousands of photos from those releases (using the Process Versions 2003 and then 2010), and now I've been quite happy using the Version 4 release, with the Process Version 2012 and all, and still I see the features in Version 5, 6, and then the CC releases, and yeah, things are good!

So, like I said, the LR Team has been a group of dedicated, busy people! They have to work with both LR and also Camera Raw with Bridge, trying to put out the best!

So, gosh -- the common complaint about LR being "sluggish" when taking in the huge files created by modern DSLRs and doing all that "under the hood" work on them, well, sure, although I'd keep my eye on things -- new Version releases have a habit of providing some real improvements!