Another 5DSR vs. 5D4 thread

I already own the 5DSR. I love it due to it's high pixel count. However, I've been eyeing the 5D4 more recently.

A couple of issues come to mind with my ownership of the 5DSR:

1. Resellability after a number of years – how much will it realistically devalue compared to the 5D4? Will I be able to sell it to buy a newer up to date camera at some point? It's a speciality camera, seemingly intended for portrait and landscape photographers of which I'm the former.

2. Do I really need 50mp? Shooting at 50MP has created a number of storage issues for me since buying it. While I appreciate what I'm able to do with it, and the detail I'm able to pull out and resolve, I'm not necessarily sure if I need it. I don't think I'll be doing much large scale printing either. But the resolution is nice for image retouching and fashion-y kind of work.

I'm weighing my options here. I suspect the 5D4 will hold it's value relatively for future 5D line releases – Like most people, I use the equity stored in my equipment to upgrade to newer equipment which has saved me thousands of dollars.

If I trade off to the 5D4, it seems I'll be getting a downgrade in resolution, but an upgrade in dynamic range and features which could potentially be useful to me. I do a lot of location shoots, so GPS marking of photographs is a pretty handy feature to have. The touch screen is nice, but I'm not quite sure how zooming in works. I zoom in to 100% a lot to check sharpness, so something to make this process faster would be nice. I don't shoot video, but if I were to get into it, the 4K would be cool.

Have any other users made this switch (or similar)? Do you regret it? Is there anything you dislike about the switch?

The camera holds value (percentage) better and for a longer duration, for AS LONG AS IT IS NOT REPLACED by a successor.

So the question really is "how long will the features/specs of the 5DSR be NOT superceded, vs. the features/specs of the 5DIV being superceded?"
Also one has to consider "Will the buyers of the 5DSR continue to perceive UNIQUE ADVANTAGES over the 5DIV and its successors?"

Using equity in your camera gear to upgrade? I've never heard of this.. Can you elaborate on this please

Equity loosely meaning used value.

I'm in the middle of trying to decide between those 2 bodies so I will follow this thread. I have been a 2 body owner for many years and wanted to own one body. I have a 7D2 and sold my 5D3 a few months ago. The intent was to get another FF and sell my 7D2.

It is not as easy as I thought it would be. I lose reach with a FF for my birding and I don't think I will see any longer primes like a 500mm in the near future. The 5D4 is 30 megapixels and when you do the math the crop to match the 7D2 is 17 I believe. So for an all around camera 50 would be better. Nice detail for landscapes, etc. Although not really meant for it I have seen BIF shots with the 5DSR and they do look good. You lose FPS but I don't need that many. Then there are the storage issues.

So if I get the 5DSR the 7D2 goes. If get the 5D4 I'll be a two body owner again which is not the worst thing for me. I can't decide so it is good thing that I'm not in a hurry.

I actually did order the 5DSR but cancelled it because I decided to wait for the 5D4 release.

I shot the 5DsR for a good year and a half. While I loved the luxury of it, I found it increasingly annoying to be cramped in a crouch, still bumping my head on the low hanging branches of ISO, noise, higher shutter speed, more tied to a tripod, etc. using it. I enjoyed the results but felt limited.

Once I got the 5D4, oh boy, I could breath and feel free again, lots of headroom and enjoy the advantages of the latest technology integrating the performance of body with lenses. I found no point analyzing photographic freedom vs. megapixels, photographic freedom is simply the higher value for me and I don't have the feeling I am really missing anything.

...depending on your style and what you shoot, YMMV.

digital paradise wrote in post #18202066
The 5D4 is 30 megapixels and when you do the math the crop to match the 7D2 is 17 I believe.

A 1.6x crop from a FF sensor divides its MP count by about 2.56. 30.4MP/2.56 = 11.875MP. The 5D4 has about the same pixel density as the 12MP EOS 450D.

Of course, you can put a 1.4x TC on the 5D4, and then, considered as a single unit, it is a 30.4MP 1.4x-crop camera with 23.75MP where the 7D2 without a TC would put 20.2MP. Of course, the new virtual camera has a darkened viewfinder, f/5.6 AF limit, and needs a stop more light to focus.

Let's face it; you need 4 or 5 camera models to get the best of everything!

John_T wrote in post #18202130
I shot the 5DsR for a good year and a half. While I loved the luxury of it, I found it increasingly annoying to be cramped in a crouch, still bumping my head on the low hanging branches of ISO, noise, higher shutter speed, more tied to a tripod, etc. using it. I enjoyed the results but felt limited.

Once I got the 5D4, oh boy, I could breath and feel free again, lots of headroom and enjoy the advantages of the latest technology integrating the performance of body with lenses. I found no point analyzing photographic freedom vs. megapixels, photographic freedom is simply the higher value for me and I don't have the feeling I am really missing anything.

...depending on your style and what you shoot, YMMV.

You upgraded in terms of AF, and noise is a little better at the image level than the 5Dsr, but some of those things that bothered you are pure illusion. You don't *need* more shutter speed or stability for the 5Dsr. If you do have it, though, you can appreciate it more. In terms of soft lenses, high diffraction, camera shake, subject motion, etc, a higher pixel density is never a problem; it can't possibly be. If it seems to be, you are looking at things through a veil of illusion, the most likely veil being the mistake of magnifying the higher-density image more than the lower-density image, just because "100% pixel view" seems to say that you should.

How much actual photography time have you actually spent with both bodies?

About 70% crop and 30% FF.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18202167
A 1.6x crop from a FF sensor divides its MP count by about 2.56. 30.4MP/2.56 = 11.875MP. The 5D4 has about the same pixel density as the 12MP EOS 450D.

Of course, you can put a 1.4x TC on the 5D4, and then, considered as a single unit, it is a 30.4MP 1.4x-crop camera with 23.75MP where the 7D2 without a TC would put 20.2MP. Of course, the new virtual camera has a darkened viewfinder, f/5.6 AF limit, and needs a stop more light to focus.

Let's face it; you need 4 or 5 camera models to get the best of everything!

What does this mean?

Of course, the new virtual camera has a darkened viewfinder, f/5.6 AF limit, and needs a stop more light to focus.

I have a 1.4 III and the 5D4 uses all focus points at F8.

About 60% to 40% in favour of the crop. When I only owned a crop I had no issues using my Tokina 11-16.

digital paradise wrote in post #18202250
What does this mean?

Of course, the new virtual camera has a darkened viewfinder, f/5.6 AF limit, and needs a stop more light to focus.

I have a 1.4 III and the 5D4 uses all focus points at F8.

In a sentence before that, I spoke of a virtual camera you would have with 30.4MP, a 1.4x crop factor, if you had a 1.4x TC glued to the camera. The LCD might say f/8, but you could only put an f/5.6 lens on this new "camera" (5D4 with glued-on TC).

The point is that you can better the 7D2 with the 5D4, with a 1.4x TC, except that the AF limit is going to get in the way, and less light is available for the viewfinder and focus. Both systems have their strengths and weaknesses, relative to the other.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18202300
In a sentence before that, I spoke of a virtual camera you would have with 30.4MP, a 1.4x crop factor, if you had a 1.4x TC glued to the camera. The LCD might say f/8, but you could only put an f/5.6 lens on this new "camera" (5D4 with glued-on TC).

The point is that you can better the 7D2 with the 5D4, with a 1.4x TC, except that the AF limit is going to get in the way, and less light is available for the viewfinder and focus. Both systems have their strengths and weaknesses, relative to the other.

Oh I see thanks. The more I read other posts, etc I'm leaning towards the 5D4. I'll wait to see what Canon does about the 7D2 upgrade which will be a long ways away. I can live with being a two body owner.