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Dec 22, 2016 07:12 |  #61

Photography is also mostly a hobby for me, but I shoot some paid stuff if I am approached, usually for weddings and portraits, but sometimes commercial stuff as well.

Because I'm always shooting people, I've decided to do something completely different, such as landscapes and some macro to keep photography from getting to feel like a chore.

I usually photograph my own family events and stuff for close friends for free and I charge my acquaintances as regular clients (maybe a little discount, or provide additional value).

The good thing about not going full time pro is that if people want to haggle my price too much, or I am just not feeling the job, I can safely say no. This allows me to only shoot what I want to, when I want to. The other benefit of this, is that since I want to take a particular job, I shoot it with more passion than if it was just for dollars and cents.

My suggestion is to try something new to get the juices flowing. Nothing like having no pressure from a 3rd party to spark some creativity.




  
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Dec 22, 2016 08:52 |  #62

The good thing about not going full time pro is

The financial rewards are missing in the long term...go to school to attain these goals...http://www.msn.com …AkW6n4?li=BBnb7​Kz#image=1 (external link)


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Dec 22, 2016 09:13 |  #63

Chauncey,

Not for everyone and if you are going to get into any creative field for a living first do it for love of what you are doing. Then if you are going to do it for a living then find that path that will give you the best chances of success and do WHATEVER it takes. If you want to do what ever type of work you want to get into go to where the clients are until you have fully established yourself. You might have to work for crap money for several years to learn from the inside but that is an education well worth the time. And last keep what you do for you just that and totally separate from how you feed the beast.




  
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Dec 22, 2016 09:37 |  #64

chauncey wrote in post #18217431 (external link)
Really dumb idea...as you discovered. Go to school and learn on of these...http://www.msn.com …our/ss-AAkW6n4?li=BBnb7Kz (external link)
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Dec 22, 2016 10:07 |  #65

"Feeding that beast" is, IMHO, of prime importance, especially if one has a family to provide for.
There is nothing more important.


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Dec 22, 2016 10:22 |  #66

yeah that's what my main job is for. Until such point that photography would even just pay for itself i would be happy.
I would dread to total up how much i have spent on photo related costs vs how much i made from it.


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Dec 22, 2016 10:39 |  #67

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chauncey wrote in post #18220576 (external link)
The financial rewards are missing in the long term...go to school to attain these goals...http://www.msn.com …AkW6n4?li=BBnb7​Kz#image=1 (external link)

But those things have nothing to do with photography. All of those things seem to be best for left-brain people, and probably not the right choice for creative artistically-oriented people. All of the things in the link you posted are high-pressure jobs where you are often under stress. Lawyer. Anestheologist. Petroleum engineer. IT manager. YUCK!

I fail to see what these career paths have to do with the OP being bored with photography. The OP already has an IT job that pays all the bills and says that he is happy with that job. Why would you be repeatedly suggesting that he go to school for a high-income, high-pressure career when he already has one that he is happy with and that pays him enough money?

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Dec 22, 2016 10:45 |  #68

chauncey wrote in post #18220621 (external link)
"Feeding that beast" is, IMHO, of prime importance, especially if one has a family to provide for.
There is nothing more important.

Yep it aint easy. Thats why you need every edge but if you are fully prepared and have done all the right things then you certainly increase to odds of making it and you can make a good living doing it. But how many want to do what is necessary and have the persistence once they have done that. When just getting started I would say 80% in rejection. I have a friend that is a very good photographer. He opened an office in a very high exposure, high rent area. He thought if he built it they would come. He did contact potential clients and contacts but did follow up in a persistent way. He didn't last a year. My advice is get a rep in the beginning to put you in front of the right people. Plus most reps wont take on someone unless they have the chops. So if you can't find a rep to rep you, maybe you it's not for you.

One of my favorite local photographers, Marc Hauser, said he would go to all the major agencies that same day of the week, every week, with a portfolio under his arm. Finally one day, one of the agencies gave him a shot. IIRC he said he thinks it was more to get rid of him but he took full advantage of his opportunity. How many would stay with it and then how many have the real skills, people skill, the ability to put their own ego aside for what's best for the client, and the technical skills to make do it? I have found that most quit. Now I am talking about commercial work and the type of commercial work that pays.

I learned early on from a very successful photographer, in order to attract the right clients he had to open a separate commercial business. Separate from his very high end weeding business. He hired photographers that were very skilled in commercial work to shoot his commercial stuff. Many clients, especially the ones that you probably want to attract when talking commercial work, wouldn't hire a wedding photographer nor do they they hire only from a web site. They all know how deceptive web sites are and are rarely real reflections of what a photographer can do under pressure of being on the set, creating on demand at that moment, being able to collaborate and fit in with a team, and fully meet deadlines.




  
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Dec 22, 2016 10:46 as a reply to  @ Tom Reichner's post |  #69

Lets not forget the associated costs and time to re-train.
It's also not a case of 're-train to be a chief exec' I have more chance of making my photography a business

I'm quite happy on my $37+k salary thanks.


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Dec 22, 2016 10:50 |  #70

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #18220656 (external link)
Lets not forget the associated costs and time to re-train.
It's also not a case of 're-train to be a chief exec' I have more chance of making my photography a business

I'm quite happy on my $37+k salary thanks.

Then keep it as a hobby and be happy with 37K....




  
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Dec 22, 2016 10:59 |  #71

urbanfreestyle wrote in post #18220631 (external link)
yeah that's what my main job is for. Until such point that photography would even just pay for itself i would be happy.
I would dread to total up how much i have spent on photo related costs vs how much i made from it.

it wont be quick, you've got to build up a reputation, skill alone doesnt cut it.

sort of related to job experience, if you dont have much work or references to show for, who's gonna pay?


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Dec 22, 2016 12:34 |  #72

chauncey wrote in post #18220576 (external link)
The financial rewards are missing in the long term...go to school to attain these goals...http://www.msn.com …AkW6n4?li=BBnb7​Kz#image=1 (external link)

Not everything is about financial rewards. I have a satisfactory day job that provides me with great flexibility and also makes me happy. Photography is a hobby. I am fine keeping it that way for now.

I value the creatives who do do it as a living, which is why I charge if I decide to take on a job, but I currently have no long term intentions of living off of photography full time.




  
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Dec 22, 2016 17:55 |  #73

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18220647 (external link)
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I fail to see what these career paths have to do with the OP being bored with photography. The OP already has an IT job that pays all the bills and says that he is happy with that job. Why would you be repeatedly suggesting that he go to school for a high-income, high-pressure career when he already has one that he is happy with and that pays him enough money?

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Some people think that since most folks with STEM degrees earn decent incomes, then everyone should earn a STEM degree. It's funny because it ignores the fact that it isn't the having of the degree that does it, it's the having of the skills and interests that led to the degree that does it.

Like this: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/clock (external link)

But yeah OP......just go to school and become a surgeon. Then you'll be rich and happy.

Well....so long as you have the skill and don't faint at the sight of blood or anything. :p


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Dec 22, 2016 18:55 |  #74

JeffreyG wrote in post #18221013 (external link)
But yeah OP......just go to school and become a surgeon. Then you'll be rich and happy.

Well....so long as you have the skill and don't faint at the sight of blood or anything. :p

Heh! And watch out for horror movies and crime dramas that come out "featuring" enthusiastic surgeons! :)


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Dec 23, 2016 03:24 |  #75

Where in the UK are you, Devon, Cornwall? To make a living in those areas you'll to diversify, there simply isn't a client base to specialise in architecture, portraits or whatever, unless you're prepared to travel huge distances. The obvious candidates for you are touristy stuff or landscapes. So what sort of photography do you do? If it doesn't tally with what I've said, I'm not surprised you're struggling. Also, a lot of retired people with high incomes down your way, so I bet there's quite a few photographers doing it for pin money just for something to do, so that completely deflates your market's price floor, an issue I'm very familiar with in fly fishing tuition so feel your pain!


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