Is it my imagination but is there a lot of Canon bashing?

I have some time off, and have been watching some youtube gear stuff.

There seems to be a lot of Canon bashing, and people going to great lengths to point out Canons weakness's. If you believe the talk Canon will go the way of Betamax video systems. Yet Canon seems to pretty much rule in the world of Sport and event photography where reliability is just as important as image quality.

Or is this just something that has been going on for years? Does the same happen with Nikon? Or maybe it is just reserved for a small percentage of people who spend too much time on the web (like me)

I honestly scratch my head. It seems to me you are in pretty good shape with pretty much any camera system these days whether it be Canon, Nikon, Sony. Fuji etc. I just find it interesting that seemingly rational mature people get so hot under the collar about differences that are so marginal that it really does not matter for the vast vast majority of shooting situations.

But it just seemed to me that Canon seems to be everyone's favorite whipping boy.

Canon vs Nikon vs Sony is kind of like Ford vs Chevy and Coke vs Pepsi. People have strong opinions but in reality all sides do a good job and serve their intended purpose.

People get too caught up in technical specs and hype. We're spoiled with any modern DSLR these days compared to what we used years ago... and we still made great images back then too.

People will always look for something to complain about.

Even moreso when you're talking about one of the biggest companies in the industry. Canon's still one of the biggest sellers, but also is a bit safe/boring/conservati​ve with their body hardware development in some respects although their lenses are almost always very good. Their sensors still struggle in some areas against the competition and they don't always chase some of the same features that are the current popular items. Canon isn't always highly price competitive either.

Whether their deficiencies matter to you or affect your work or not are a separate matter, but since people will always need something to complain about. All those factors add up to Canon being a big target with some areas for improvement (some more obvious than others).

I'd like to see them improve further in some areas myself, but they have made some progress with their latest bodies. It obviously isn't enough for everyone (and probably never will be for some!).

It's because Canon caters more to mass selling cameras than the photographer's need. Can we blame them? NOPE! they outsell Nikon and Sony put together for a reason.

I'm still shooting Canon but I have never actually loved any of the cameras. When I got my first Sony A7 I was blown away, it had the IQ of Canon's top level cameras, with features they scatter amongst 6 other different cameras. Sony put all of those in one!

With my Canons I'm always wanting to buy the newest version to get all the features I want, on my A7 I have NEVER once had the urge to upgrade. Even if there's 6 newer bodies now, they put everything I wanted on the first one.

Not going to ever upgrade from that camera until it breaks.

The reason why Canon doesn't put all the features in one camera is because it would take millions and millions of dollars out of their pocket. They will always have their customers wanting to upgrade bodies to get new vital features or get the newest camera every few months they put one out. Almost like a drug addition, but hey everyone loves Capitalism right? So good for Canon for going for the big bucks. It's kept them alive for decades while other companies failed.

Lyndön wrote in post #18227224
Canon vs Nikon vs Sony is kind of like Ford vs Chevy and Coke vs Pepsi. People have strong opinions but in reality all sides do a good job and serve their intended purpose.

People get too caught up in technical specs and hype. We're spoiled with any modern DSLR these days compared to what we used years ago... and we still made great images back then too.

+1.

I don't know about most folks, but I get caught up in tech-specs when buying gear. If I spent two seconds actually thinking about it, I'd realize that most modern gear is way more capable, and versatile, than I am. I don't need any of the gear I have to produce the photos I make. But I can afford it, and I like shiny new toys. I can't be the only one.

Its been a few years (3-4?), but the last time I checked, Canon sells 9 cameras/lenses for every 1 that Nikon sells.

Marketing, let the features trickle out to keep the flow of sales going. In past days I shot Nikon film cameras and a body would last 5+ years easily, F3HP, F4s... Digital brought not only the tech changes but they could let features out little by little. I look at the old G6 that had articulating screen, a reasonably fast lens, had remote operation, shared batteries and CF memory cards to make using it with the 5D-C easy. After that Canon took away then gradually brought back features. This is to be expected because there is a camera for nearly every budget.

Makes life interesting and we use the tools as best we can.

Same as oil and diamond production, drip feed to keep demand high. Can't really blame them tbh.

Maybe rightly deserved on canons part.

A- took them 3 yrs to get a comparable sensor on the market after the Sony sensor release and Nikon still has cleaner ISO in most bodies

B- Sigma stepping up with the Fine art lens line ups with comparable glass at much cheaper prices

C- Godox and others stepping up with OCF lighting and speedlights literally blowing canon out of the water with comparable products at 2/3 less out of pocket $$ for the professional photographer...example 600RT are $550.00 and Godox 586 units at $174.00...exact same product but Godox more versatile because you can incorporate it with the strobe line up and a superior trigger system

I think a lot of people got fed up waiting for the sensor fix and jumped ship and are still bitter about the lapse. I think a lot of people figured out just how good some of the sigma arts really are and thats left a bitter taste in many.

A lot of Canon bashing-- probably Yes-- and probably very much deserved.

Sigma steps up with variable zooms that works and Canon will be in deep Doggie Poop.

Thats my opinion. Would love to see canon pull its head out. They seem to be on the same path as pocket wizard was on and we all know what happened to pocket wizard.

Bashing coming mostly from the people who want to keep up with the Joneses. The more technocrap manufacturers keep putting onto cameras, the less attractive I find them. In that regard, Canon is good in being 'slow' to 'innovate'.

People who shoot at lowest ISOs, who are not going to throw out or sell a large collection of EF lenses, who still prefer PocketWizard, who don't want Wi-Fi or GPS, and who love the snapping sound of a mirror can care less about how much 'better' Sony's sensors are or how much cheaper the Sigmas fArt lenses sell for.

umphotography wrote in post #18227623
Maybe rightly deserved on canons part.

A- took them 3 yrs to get a comparable sensor on the market after the Sony sensor release and Nikon still has cleaner ISO in most bodies

B- Sigma stepping up with the Fine art lens line ups with comparable glass at much cheaper prices

C- Godox and others stepping up with OCF lighting and speedlights literally blowing canon out of the water with comparable products at 2/3 less out of pocket $$ for the professional photographer...example 600RT are $550.00 and Godox 586 units at $174.00...exact same product but Godox more versatile because you can incorporate it with the strobe line up and a superior trigger system

I think a lot of people got fed up waiting for the sensor fix and jumped ship and are still bitter about the lapse. I think a lot of people figured out just how good some of the sigma arts really are and thats left a bitter taste in many.

A lot of Canon bashing-- probably Yes-- and probably very much deserved.

Sigma steps up with variable zooms that works and Canon will be in deep Doggie Poop.

Thats my opinion. Would love to see canon pull its head out. They seem to be on the same path as pocket wizard was on and we all know what happened to pocket wizard.

I agree with most of your comments. All too often in recent years it seems like Canon has rested on its laurels. Even today, Sony and Nikon sensors are still superior even though the gap is starting to narrow. For most people, in most real world situations the superiority of Canon's competitors' sensors may not be significant, but it does exist and gives fodder to Canon's detractors and frustration to many Canon owners. DXoMark's sensor ratings add fuel to the controversy.

Alveric wrote in post #18227669
Bashing coming mostly from the people who want to keep up with the Joneses. The more technocrap manufacturers keep putting onto cameras, the less attractive I find them. In that regard, Canon is good in being 'slow' to 'innovate'....

Maybe that was the case years ago but I think these days a lot of it is also coming from Canon owners who have too much invested in their gear to switch and they are seeing the market sprinting buy and Canon is just sitting complacent knowing that they still have market share. Umphotography summed it up very succinctly.

Yes ... but sensor performance is just one small part of how well a camera delivers overall. Canon puts out well-balanced, easy-to-use kit that makes it straightforward for ordinary non-geek photographers to take pictures that are only restricted by their own technical/artistic limitations.

For professionals, reliable kit, straightforward high-quality service, easy usability, absolute dependability.

There is definitely a very great deal of Canon bashing happening. But it's only ignorant fanboys flexing their right hand muscles.

DaviSto wrote in post #18227699
Yes ... but sensor performance is just one small part of how well a camera delivers overall. Canon puts out well-balanced, easy-to-use kit that makes it straightforward for ordinary non-geek photographers to take pictures that are only restricted by their own technical/artistic limitations.

For professionals, reliable kit, straightforward high-quality service, easy usability, absolute dependability.

There is definitely a very great deal of Canon bashing happening. But it's only ignorant fanboys flexing their right hand muscles.

To a great extent I agree that its a fanboy thing. But it does go beyond that. I understand that a camera is a lot more than its sensor, but in order to overcome the Canon bashing, they need to bring their sensors up to the same level of performance as SONY and Nikon. Dynamic range, low light/high ISO performance, and the presence of low pass filters are pretty much the only things that Canon bashers complain about.

After those issues are rectified they'll find something else to bash about. People seem to have nothing better to do than make insults on the internet nowadays.

PJJ205 wrote in post #18227726
After those issues are rectified they'll find something else to bash about. People seem to have nothing better to do than make insults on the internet nowadays.

Hmm.. isn't that what you just did yourself? Insulted a bunch of people on the internet.

Seriously, discussion and debate are a healthy thing. The more disgruntled Canon shooters there are out there, the greater the pressure on Canon to get off their arse and get innovating.