Is it my imagination but is there a lot of Canon bashing?

GyRob wrote in post #18228079
Yes its odd how we bash things ,I just bought a Harley Davison Heritage Classic.

The Handel bars are a little to high ,it weighs to much , the Heel toe gear change was a pain ( i changed that ) I could only just reach the rear brake so spent the day changing that too ,the alarm system is a pain ( have to have the fob in your pocket ) top speed is rather slow and it doesn't handle that great .

Oh and it is so loud VERY loud

but I Love it just like my 1dxmkII that has far to many buttons lol

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Nice bike. I like the Heritage although mine burns rice.

Mike

gjl711 wrote in post #18228121
Why is everyone bashing people comparing and talking about gear on a gear forum.. Sort of silly, no. That's what this forum is for, talk about gear. Compare every screw, every feature. Seems sort of silly to get on a gear forum and insult people talking about gear.

Serious and measured debate is fine.

I was referring to the opposite.

Also I don't see this site as a gear only forum.

But I agree with you in spirit.

Peace man

gjl711 wrote in post #18228121
Why is everyone bashing people comparing and talking about gear on a gear forum.. Sort of silly, no. That's what this forum is for, talk about gear. Compare every screw, every feature. Seems sort of silly to get on a gear forum and insult people talking about gear.

This is one thing that never ceases to amaze me. People come on a forum to talk about the features, benefits, and strengths of a camera and it's fine. But when some of them want to investigate the cameras weaknesses (see shadow recovery or the supposed weird highlight bleed/banding thing on the 5D4, a friend has seen the same regarding issues with the D800 focusing array alignment back after that camera came out) and you will get certain users doing their damndest to shut the discussion down without contributing anything constructive.

If you don't care about that or find it doesn't affect your usage, stay out of the conversation or state it doesn't seem to impact you maybe? For some folks it may be they're interested in the technology, trying to learn the limits, or understand if the camera is the right model for them to buy. Flowery statements about how "equipment doesn't matter" or the like don't contribute to the conversation either when people are trying to investigate the technical limitations of a piece of hardware.

George Zip wrote in post #18228162
Serious and measured debate is fine.

I was referring to the opposite.

Also I don't see this site as a gear only forum.

But I agree with you in spirit.

Peace man

The site is not but this specific forum is. I think the vast majority of folks debating equipment clearly know that the difference between brands is small and in real world situations, shortcomings can be worked around. Same with the win/mac guys or the ford/chevy guys. Claiming that many are compensating for small appendages or lack of intelligence is silly.

Wilt wrote in post #18227981
It seems that the camera brand selection is tied too often to the owner's self esteem (or lack thereof). I equate it with the analogy of the size of the lens vs. the length of the phallus that is another measure of self esteem.



A confident person needs not brag or complain too vehemently, and realizes that companies sometimes CANNOT make changes, and it is not that they are necessarily unwilling to make changes, or are complacent in their market dominance.

Interestingly, while there is fanboyism on both sides of the Canon/Nikon debate, the large majority of the negative, nasty, and condescending comments I see on the subject seems to emanate from the Nikon side. Perhaps it's a misperception on my part, but I've seen it time and time again in almost every contentious thread on the subject. I can't explain it.

It is a trait of those who have embraced the dark side of the force

smythie wrote in post #18228492
It is a trait of those who have embraced the dark side of the force

...nicknamed Noinks...

Part of the problem is reviewers rushing to publish new content. There is a steady stream of useless videos, blog and forum posts that are ill-informed commentary spliced with verbatim spec sheet info. Hands on reviews tend to be lacking in the hands-on. One to two weeks isn't long enough to come to an informed conclusion imo.

The Youtube crowd seemed to be looking for a reason to hate the 5D4. Yet it's one of the best Canon bodies to date. A number of reviewers lost credibility, with me at least, due to poor and seemingly unfair reviews.

Same with the 24-105 II. Expectations are way, way out of whack.

On the positive side, there is some good 5D4 content emerging now that the body has been in production for a while.

Lee

aezoss wrote in post #18228590
Same with the 24-105 II. Expectations are way, way out of whack.

Lee

......and they most always are. And when the new (whatever) does come out it just 'blows away' it's predecessor. When the differences in reality are minuscule.

So much emotions in this thread.
I can see some of you take it personal, if you read something bad about Canon.
So sad. Worshiping a dead things. Seems to me like some sort of religion.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18227951
I have nothing clever to add here, other than, gee whizz people sure do get worked up about unimportant things these days, (meanwhile in the real world... I'll type no more, you fill in the blanks)

5D4 was certainly an eye opener though. I have not been as completely happy with a camera since 2005. It is so much in one package. And I was reading all the bashing while deciding to upgrade. I am very glad i was able to wade through the BS and see the forest for the trees,.

I tend to agree. I went 1Dx2. Extremely happy with the decision. 5D4 looks to be remarkable as well. Both are great packages for a professional.

That said

When Nikons D750 hit the market, at less $$$ than the 5D3, with clean usable ISO at 10K......I was ready to sell everything and jump ship. Note that this was 2 yrs into being behind the curveball on Canons part and NO WORD from canon as to what we could expect with an updated sensor.......also note....I have been on Canon since the AE-1 introduction so a very loyal canon shooter since 1974.

Then Ole's D5 field reports came out with images at 102000 ISO on the Nikon D5, almost 4 months before the specs on the 1Dx2 with no comparable imagery. That 25000 and 51000 ISO Images sealed the deal for me. 25000 usable ISO straight off the camera and an excellent AF system to back it all up. AND....Not a peep out of Canon.

I waited for the 1Dx2 release because a canon rep told me big changes were on the way and to hold tight

6 mo later I got my hands on a 1Dx2 and I have been a happy camper ever since

My attitude is....Its about time canon.....So I can see why so much Canon bashing was on the net. I was one of them. I was very PO'd....Like many in here, with 25-30K invested in glass and lighting for professional use, i was very frustrated that canon was so far behind the Sony sensors.

I remember the thread i started about Nikon feeding canon its lunch with the D5 release and the Huge response it got from soooooo many canon shooters......we were all on the same page about sensor performance

Canon is finally in the game and as a loyal canon shooter i am extremely grateful they have addressed the sensor performance gap that existed. I am far from being a gearhead. But make no mistake, there was a noticeable and huge gap and that gap had a direct effect on me as a wedding and event photographer........I need ISO. Im in crapola light almost every wedding. 12800 clean usable ISO is a Gift and Im darn glad to have it.

So I can fully see why there was so much griping and complaining on the canon shooters part. I was one of them. Rightly so from my point of view

My opinion....Canon came a long way with this release, glad i stayed put, But , Canon still has a way to go. Nikons D500 kicks the 7D2's Butt in ISO performance....its a full stop so whos kidding who.

Both Mfg's, canon and Nikon, are locking their clients into their brands. I think both have outstanding sensors and both offer outstanding glass for their clients to use.

However-- Both canon and Nikons glass is extremely overpriced and I expect companies like Sigma with the Arts to give them fits in the future with great comparable lens.

So i see nothing wrong with some of the griping that took place. I think it was rightly deserved on canons part but im very happy they are in the game with sensor performance.

Mathmans wrote in post #18228776
So much emotions in this thread.
I can see some of you take it personal, if you read something bad about Canon.
So sad. Worshiping a dead things. Seems to me like some sort of religion.

If you think there is so much emotion in this thread, than you clearly don't frequent other on line forums. This is the tamest, least emotional thread on the subject you will ever see. Try going to another site which name is represented by an ugly small mammal, and you will see unbridled vitriol when the subject comes up, as it does on a daily basis.

In the end the person using the tool determines the results. Not related to only Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc... The tech has made life easier for sure. Regardless what camera is in hand you've likely honed your skills to still get the results as necessary. May be refreshing because the nanny's aren't all there to help. Back in the past times taking pics of your kid made for challenging times and frustration because they move so quickly. When you nailed the shot you were happy because the moment was captured.

How dad made do with a Kodak Brownie and a flash that required the bulb be replaced after each firing amazes me for what we know in photo tech. He has pretty large albums of me as a kid and I'm happy to see them now. The tech has made us spoiled where we are thinking high keeper ratios of perfection with each shot. May be time to drag out a film camera load it with 12, 16, 24 or 36 exposure rolls and be very deliberate in releasing the shutter.

ra40 wrote in post #18229033
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How dad made do with a Kodak Brownie and a flash that required the bulb be replaced after each firing amazes me for what we know in photo tech. He has pretty large albums of me as a kid and I'm happy to see them now. The tech has made us spoiled where we are thinking high keeper ratios of perfection with each shot. May be time to drag out a film camera load it with 12, 16, 24 or 36 exposure rolls and be very deliberate in releasing the shutter.

I couldn't agree more. I got by just fine as a kid with a Brownie Hawkeye Flash. I still have a working (I think) copy. IIRC, that was 12-exposure rolls of 6x6 film.

I haven't shot film for about 8 years, and have been thinking lately of burning a few rolls. The only problem is that I gave away my last film gear years ago. This stuff is harder to find than I thought. All the Yashica stuff left looks to be junk/crap for outrageous prices. I am starting to search CL, E-Bay, and even POTN for a film body capable of 1/8000, ETTL-(II?), EF mount. Pickins are pretty darn thin!

saea501 wrote in post #18228601
......and they most always are. And when the new (whatever) does come out it just 'blows away' it's predecessor. When the differences in reality are minuscule.

"Blows it out of the water"

"4-stop difference"

"Like night and day"

"You will be shocked"

The hyperbole goes on and on. Maybe we are numbed by the words in ads on TV and elsewhere.