Camera manufacturers killing proper hobby photography ?

Whoops, sorry. Definitely missed a few

Impressive list, but you missed a pretty important one,

Rectal Retention Syndrome.

(Sorry - couldn't resist)

OhLook wrote in post #18242247
I do too. The reason is hard to determine. It must be in my deoxyribonucleic acid.

Ha! Funny that you use that as an example........when in junior high school, our biology teacher taught us that term, and explained that it was almost always abbreviated. But, even as a pre-teen, correct spelling was so important to me that I learned how to spell and pronounce "deoxyribonucleic", and even after all these years I have never forgotten.

To many people, unfortunately, correct spelling and punctuation is not of great importance, and this is an attitude that I cannot relate to.

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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18242577
Ha! Funny that you use that as an example........when in junior high school, our biology teacher taught us that term, and explained that it was almost always abbreviated. But, even as a pre-teen, correct spelling was so important to me that I learned how to spell and pronounce "deoxyribonucleic", and even after all these years I have never forgotten.

To many people, unfortunately, correct spelling and punctuation is not of great importance, and this is an attitude that I cannot relate to.

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And the automated spell checkers / corrector are making lazy people these days. Just need to get the spelling close and it will self correct...many times to not what was intended.

Hogloff wrote in post #18242589
And the automated spell checkers / corrector are making lazy people these days. Just need to get the spelling close and it will self correct...many times to not what was intended.

Yes, there are so many things that spell checkers do not catch that one really needs to look over what they've typed very carefully before they save, or post, or send.

So many people misuse your, you're, they're, their, and there that I actually think that there are some adults that don't know which one is to be used in any given instance. Either that, or they think it is ok to use the wrong one . . . which of course it isn't.

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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18242604
So many people misuse your, you're, they're, their, and there that I actually think that there are some adults that don't know which one is to be used in any given instance. Either that, or they think it is ok to use the wrong one . . . which of course it isn't.

Of course there are some adults who don't know which one is to be used! People who make such mistakes have nothing to gain from it. There's no reason to suspect they do it deliberately.

Many people have dyslexia. I don't know, though, whether dyslexia accounts for failure to distinguish the look of "their" from the look of "there." I do think it's something in a person's brain structure, and variants are common.

While addressing grammar issues, my pet peeve is 'that' instead of 'who'.

I saw a photographer that was using a big white lens. WRONG!!! The photographer is (usually) a person. People are 'who'.
I saw a photographer who was using a big white lens. AHHH!!! I feel better already.

Bassat wrote in post #18242645
While addressing grammar issues, my pet peeve is 'that' instead of 'who'.

I saw a photographer that was using a big white lens. WRONG!!! The photographer is (usually) a person. People are 'who'.
I saw a photographer who was using a big white lens. AHHH!!! I feel better already.

Mine is 'amount' of people (or other discrete unit). It's 'number'! And 'fewer' instead of 'less'.

Although I consider myself highly proficient at spelling, grammar and clear, succinct expression, I love autocorrect--not to correct spelling mistakes but to magically fix up all the typos my fat fingers make on a touchscreen keyboard.

My kids always know if I've written a text (rather than someone using my phone) because spelling, grammar and punctuation are always perfect. I'm happy to read txtspk but I can't bring myself to use it. But we digress ...

Let's get back on topic. So, in the U.K. MMSP (see my earlier post) is illegal though it does go on. How about big name manufacturers insisting certain brands like Yongnuo, and Neewer (Both have several great flashguns for not much $ or £) cannot be sold by accredited dealers (i.e. those who charge what the big manufacturers want them to supply. An independent camera retailer in the Cotswolds told me that was the case when i asked if they had any Yongnuo flashes in stock. Isn't that wrong? In the 60's, after Ted heath made MMMSP illegal, EMI records kept stamping "Sold in the UK subject to Resale Price Conditions" on records to get around this. It was made to stop the practice in 1970.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18242604
Yes, there are so many things that spell checkers do not catch that one really needs to look over what they've typed very carefully before they save, or post, or send.

So many people misuse your, you're, they're, their, and there that I actually think that there are some adults that don't know which one is to be used in any given instance. Either that, or they think it is ok to use the wrong one . . . which of course it isn't.

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I heartily recommend "The Elements of Style" aka "the little book" for clear instruction in English grammar. You can get one used for a dollar... and I think the e-book is free.

With all this talk about grammar...let's not forget POTn is not restricted to English speaking members. Many members here are from countries where English is not their native tongue. I've traveled quite extensively to areas where English was a 2nd or 3rd language and the people there did very well in communicating with me...much better than I could in their native language.

I too hate the "txt'ng' language out there...but I give a lot of slack for improper usage of the English language as I understand the challenges many have with it.

Hogloff wrote in post #18243489
With all this talk about grammar...let's not forget POTn is not restricted to English speaking members. Many members here are from countries where English is not their native tongue. I've traveled quite extensively to areas where English was a 2nd or 3rd language and the people there did very well in communicating with me...much better than I could in their native language.

I too hate the "txt'ng' language out there...but I give a lot of slack for improper usage of the English language as I understand the challenges many have with it.

True, but I think our criticism is directed at mother tongue English speakers who should know better. As you say, those who learnt English later in life do a much better job of it than we do in their mother tongue, and I, and I think the other pedants like me, do not apply the same rules to them. We appreciate their efforts and resulting insights.

Pippan wrote in post #18243523
True, but I think our criticism is directed at mother tongue English speakers who should know better. As you say, those who learnt English later in life do a much better job of it than we do in their mother tongue, and I, and I think the other pedants like me, do not apply the same rules to them. We appreciate their efforts and resulting insights.

But how can you tell a person's mother tongue on the net? Is my mother tongue English?

quickben wrote in post #18232887
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Canon have just increased the prices of their entire range in Europe. Maybe that's the cause of my frustration.

Isn't the Euro worth about half what it was worth 10 years ago?

quickben wrote in post #18232923
I'm talking in relatively recent terms. I bought my first dSLR in 2003 and I hadn't had my AE-1P for very long before that.....

In 2001, the EOS D30 3.5MP DSLR cost $3,500.00 new.
In 2003, the 10D , two generations later in the same line, was down to $1,500.00 new.

An 80D, the current new body from this long line of mid priced DSLRs costs about $800.00

Pippan wrote in post #18243523
True, but I think our criticism is directed at mother tongue English speakers who should know better. As you say, those who learnt English later in life do a much better job of it than we do in their mother tongue, and I, and I think the other pedants like me, do not apply the same rules to them. We appreciate their efforts and resulting insights.

So which "bible" is being used by the pedants to base their criticism on?
There are new words and new usage being added to the English language yearly.

Check this news article out

http://news.nationalpo​st.com …noying-theyre-often-wrong

I consider my self fairly literate but I would not claim to know whats right or whats wrong in the English language any more.
Especially considering the Canadian and American sub-versions as well are not the same as "British English".

Edit - the url has a word in not acceptable to this forum so the link doesn't work.
I found it interesting. Google "national post pedant" if you want to find it.