Shoot "tethered" directly to a Flatscreen?

bumpintheroad wrote in post #18251020
Because the subject will be looking at the screen instead of where you want them during the exposure?

Exactly!


/Jocce

Have either of you taken corporate shots before? I have and never had an issue with people looking at me when I have requested as I take a shot. I have done several of these in the past, with others milling around, etc. These aren't children. Live view means you can trigger this exactly when you want once everything is ready remotely, no messing with camera, etc. It is also faster. Just an idea, that is why we have WiFi enable cameras now, just for these types of requests, and it works great for studio style shooting.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18251165
Have either of you taken corporate shots before? I have and never had an issue with people looking at me when I have requested as I take a shot. I have done several of these in the past, with others milling around, etc. These aren't children. Live view means you can trigger this exactly when you want once everything is ready remotely, no messing with camera, etc. It is also faster. Just an idea, that is why we have WiFi enable cameras now, just for these types of requests, and it works great for studio style shooting.

I don't understand why you feel the need to be condescending. But since you challenged, you should know I shot over 100 corporate headshots last year; full headshots, not ID photos. I've also done ID photos -- as many as 600 in 4 days for one company -- but that was a while ago. My volume is lower now because photography isn't my full time job at present.

However, I am fully aware I don't know everything, and am anxious to learn new techniques. Perhaps you can explain your setup and workflow using WiFi and Liveview. I'm sure we can all benefit from your expertise.

I was truly curious, and didnt mean any offense, it sounds like we are shooting different things then. When shooting for badge shots, you have to have only part of the person visible, it isn't a conventional portrait. So much like a BMV, you have everything statically set up and you shoot quickly. Asking somebody to look at me right at time of the shot and triggering the camera on the tripod using live view or phone or wireless trigger works great, showing them the product after again wirelessly on a 10" tablet has worked out well. When shooting actual portraits of couples and families, this set up doesn't work as well, and i'll never do it that way. But shoulder-up badge shots are quite a bit more forgiving and certainly less creative.

Your answer did seem flippant and dismissive when I read it again though. If you are the photographer, obviously you would be commanding the scene and the subject wouldn't be looking at a screen of themselves as you take the shot.

If you had large screen using live view directly in the clients line of sight wouldn't it be noticable in the catchlights?

Since these are not typical portraits but instead badge photos that are probably 2x3 or smaller, I doubt any artifacts of the shoot would be noticeable.

However if the corporate shoot was for marketing material, then more care would be taken, and I also would agree live view may not be the best choice, however you could still have the photos reviewed on a tablet pulling the images wirelessly. This is how we do senior portraits too.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18252135
I was truly curious, and didnt mean any offense, it sounds like we are shooting different things then. When shooting for badge shots, you have to have only part of the person visible, it isn't a conventional portrait. So much like a BMV, you have everything statically set up and you shoot quickly. Asking somebody to look at me right at time of the shot and triggering the camera on the tripod using live view or phone or wireless trigger works great, showing them the product after again wirelessly on a 10" tablet has worked out well. When shooting actual portraits of couples and families, this set up doesn't work as well, and i'll never do it that way. But shoulder-up badge shots are quite a bit more forgiving and certainly less creative.

Your answer did seem flippant and dismissive when I read it again though. If you are the photographer, obviously you would be commanding the scene and the subject wouldn't be looking at a screen of themselves as you take the shot.

It sounds like we're talking about the same result just different means.

I check framing through the EVF mostly because that's the way I've done it for 40 years, but I also feel it gives me better precision. And since my older eyes need correction for both distance and near vision, the diopter adjustment in the EVF works better than trying to deal with bifocals or switching eyeglasses. I use RF603's as my remote shutter release and to trigger my strobes or speedlights (but I've been starting to use the Godox X1 now, at least with speedlights). I tether over USB to a laptop to review the image(s) at the end of the session.

But back to the OP's question.

If you're not already shooting tethered to a laptop or using a tablet (or smartphone) to wirelessly control the camera, the simplest method to let your subject view the shot is to plug a TV or monitor into the camera's HDMI port. That way anything that would normally be shown on the LCD (such as the post-capture image review or playback mode) will instead show on the external monitor. The camera's LCD will be disabled, but as long as you're not using Liveview, you can still use the EVF normally. All you need is an HDMI cable (and the external TV or monitor).

If you're already shooting tethered to a laptop then hooking an external monitor to the laptop's HDMI or DisplayPort port makes the most sense. The camera will work normally in or out of Liveview, and you can even use a tablet or smartphone with Canon Camera Connect for wireless remote camera control. But it does take a moment or two for the image to transfer from the camera to the laptop before it is displayed. All you need is an HDMI cable (and, possibly, a mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter).

Finally, if you're not tethered to a laptop but are using a tablet or smartphone to wirelessly control the camera, you can cast the tablet/phone screen to a TV or monitor. This will require either a Chromecast- or AirPlay-compatible receiver for the external TV or monitor.

Definitely see why you do what you do, it is very hard for me too to go through live view when I have shot through a viewfinder forever it seems. If the shoot is more of an "assembly line" however, like some corporate shoots can be, then setting everything up statically from where the person will stand, the camera on a tripod, etc. it can be much simpler just shooting remotely by triggering the shot from the tablet and showing the person afterwards too, you don't have to be in front of them at all.

I wifi-enabled non-wifi cameras in the past like the 7D, 5D3, and 1D4 just to do things like this. It worked well enough, but having wifi directly in camera without an MR3040 pocket router hanging off is cleaner overall.

This doesn't always work obvously. I tried to do family portraits and couples this way, and it just didn't pan out for me, due to the varying DOF I needed, and my desire to keep the black background blurred out. I could have set the aperture remotely too as the depth increased or decreased, but wasn't comfortable doing that. I also wouldn't do this for marketing shots for a company either, like for a brochure, a 10th anniversary poster of the employess, etc. all of which I have done before. It's back to the viewfinder for those.

In this case, just having a cheapie LCD TV or computer monitor sitting on a table next to the camera with an HDMI would definitely work, but I always found that clumsy, and you need a special HDMI cable, because there are 3 sizes of HDMI plugs, and I cannot remember if the camera has a mini or micro, but almost any display screen will require the large plug. Just never really liked the HDMI option personally.

I think this is the cable that is needed.

https://www.amazon.com …ndard-cable/dp/9983891212

I would like to see pics of the setup if this ends up being the solution!

Some references regarding "instant feedback" photography, not sure if they are helpful though, not too much detail.
http://cpn.canon-europe.com …wireless_studio​_shoots.do
http://www.arsnovaimag​es.com …orporate-location-shoots/

Other discussion board(s):
https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/34488​00
http://www.modelmayhem​.com/forums/post/96367​6