New DPP 4.5.20.0 finally adds support for 5D classic

When they first released DPP V4 it only supported the newest cameras. DPP V3 remained for the older cameras. Why they did this I don't know, but I'm glad that they changed their minds. DPP V4 is much-improved over V3.

digital paradise wrote in post #18251307
I think when it went to Version 4.

Any idea of when the version number increased to '4', how long ago that happened?!

Wilt wrote in post #18251311
Any idea of when the version number increased to '4', how long ago that happened?!

Sorry I don't know.

rrblint wrote in post #18251309
When they first released DPP V4 it only supported the newest cameras. DPP V3 remained for the older cameras. Why they did this I don't know, but I'm glad that they changed their minds. DPP V4 is much-improved over V3.

Yes. I remember I kept both versions in the dock in case I wanted to access older camera files.

I just found a Canon blurb from December 2014...

"Launched in September 2014, Digital Photo Professional 4 was Canon’s first sweeping change to its popular RAW processing software since its original launch. ...You can download DPP 4.1.50 now, free of charge, from Canon Europe’s support site here. Just click on your camera - EOS-1D X, EOS-1D C, EOS 5D Mark III, EOS 5D Mark II, EOS 6D, EOS-1D Mark IV, EOS 70D, EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 7D, EOS 700D and EOS 100D - and select DPP 4.1.50 from the software options to download."

So by 9 years after the 5D was launched, Canon had kicked it to the curb in DPP software support.

A Canon blurb from June 2014 evidences v4 release...

"Canon has launched Digital Photo Professional (DPP) 4.0, the first sweeping overhaul of Canon’s RAW processing software since its launch. The latest version of DPP - available for download now - has been updated with a raft of key changes to satisfy the most demanding of digital photographers.
...At launch, DPP 4.0 is compatible with Canon’s current range of full-frame DSLRs, including the EOS-1D X, EOS-1D C, EOS 5D Mark III and EOS 6D. For other models, an update of DPP 3.14 will be released."

Not sure but I think that was when they introduced DLO as well. Interesting feature which sparked me to investigate deconvolution. Learned a few things about the detail slider in LR/ACR.

rrblint wrote in post #18251309
When they first released DPP V4 it only supported the newest cameras. ...but I'm glad that they changed their minds. DPP V4 is much-improved over V3.

They didn't. Consumer feedback and complaints did. Canon abandoned owners of older cameras, trying, in just another little way, to manipulate them and to "encourage" them to abandon their cameras and buy new.

Yet one more small particle of evidence and validation that Canon's upper management is out of touch and doesn't give a whiff about loyal customers and doesn't intend to reward that loyalty with things like continuing support. Antiquated thinking that puts priority on sales...here... now.

Just one more verification that it is the upper management that needs to be abandoned. Canon needs to change its thinking. And the only way to do that is to get rid of the old men at the top who think old school. If they continue to punish customer loyalty people will punish them by reaching into their pocket for the smartphone camera and not reaching into a case for the DSLR.

Besides now being able to use files from the older camera mentioned,,,is there other improvements to the overall program ?

keeperseeker wrote in post #18253433
Besides now being able to use files from the older camera mentioned,,,is there other improvements to the overall program ?

I would like to see some older models higher ISO shots that were processed with the old DPP and then reprocessed with the new DPP. I think Canon updated its JPG and NR engines in DPP 4, so I would be cautiously optimistic that the results are better now than they were then.

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #18252153
They didn't. Consumer feedback and complaints did. Canon abandoned owners of older cameras, trying, in just another little way, to manipulate them and to "encourage" them to abandon their cameras and buy new.

Yet one more small particle of evidence and validation that Canon's upper management is out of touch and doesn't give a whiff about loyal customers and doesn't intend to reward that loyalty with things like continuing support. Antiquated thinking that puts priority on sales...here... now.

Just one more verification that it is the upper management that needs to be abandoned. Canon needs to change its thinking. And the only way to do that is to get rid of the old men at the top who think old school. If they continue to punish customer loyalty people will punish them by reaching into their pocket for the smartphone camera and not reaching into a case for the DSLR.

Actually, that's not "old school" thinking, that's "new school" thinking.

Old school: The Canon F-1 remained in production with only the most minor changes for nearly 20 years.
New School: New camera model every 3-4 years.

I personally used my F-1 cameras as my primary 35mm bodies from '75 through '95.

In old school thinking, the 5D classic would still be fully supported.

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When I read Picture North Carolina's post (the one you quoted), I thought that when he said "old school" he was referring to business practices or 10 or 12 years ago, compared to the very different marketplace that we see today.

The past decade has seen a complete change in our society, due to the massive presence of social media. This massive presence has given consumers a much louder and collectively more powerful voice, in accordance to the very recent changes that PNC was referring to.

Whatever Canon did 20 or 30 years ago isn't "old school" anymore - it is ancient history.

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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18262972
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When I read Picture North Carolina's post (the one you quoted), I thought that when he said "old school" he was referring to business practices or 10 or 12 years ago, compared to the very different marketplace that we see today.

The past decade has seen a complete change in our society, due to the massive presence of social media. This massive presence has given consumers a much louder and collectively more powerful voice, in accordance to the very recent changes that PNC was referring to.

Whatever Canon did 20 or 30 years ago isn't "old school" anymore - it is ancient history.

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I don't see at all that new business practices include supporting 12-year-old technology.

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It's not any one particular thing - it is, rather, the new prevading mindset - that mindset of helping customers save money by giving them what they want, rather than by trying to manipulate them and forcing them into buying new stuff. This includes finding ways to allow customers to keep using their old products so that they don't have to buy new replacements.

In other words, what Apple does with its proprietary / planned life expectancy mindset is completely against the new wave of customer-friendly business practices that is basically taking over the world economy.

Companies have to "be nice to" customers and potential customers because if they aren't, the customers can rise up en masse and post their discontent on Facebook, which in turn will cause thousands and thousands of people to abandon the manufacturer's product. I don't have any specific examples of this in action; it's just the general overall vibe I get when I encounter advertisements and hear people talk about stuff they buy, or want to buy.

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If companies don't sell you new stuff, they not be in business for long.

I guess I don't know what the issue here is, or what all the heartburn is about?

Canon's old DPP software baseline was getting too cumbersome and slow for the newer models/CR2 structures to keep adding more to it. So they started new development on DPP4 to be more efficient, use better libraries and generally better software development methodologies.

DPP4 was initially targeted for just newer models.

DPP3 still works for all the same models it once did.

The consumers pays $0.00 for the DPP software, it is all free to use. Just pick the version of DPP for the model of camera you own.

Now Canon has spent time on supporting older raw formats, which means raw files from older cameras are now supported.

So what are we upset about again? This is a very common software practice. There is a point that an old package is too hard to support, and even harder to change over to something new, so a new baseline is started.

I am having a hard time trying to figure out where "canon kicked owners to the curb", or "this generates more revenue", or "this practice means customers have to upgrade cameras".