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Jan 24, 2017 06:57 |  #1

Size is a considerable plus, and may finally take the dive...


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Jan 25, 2017 14:44 |  #2

britinjapan wrote in post #18254051 (external link)
Size is a considerable plus, and may finally take the dive...

Some of this has been discussed in the Leica Anonymous thread, but not to leave you hanging, I would consider it if I used digital. I have a Leica M2, and for me (which might differ for everyone else on the planet), the tactility and ergonomics are superb.

As such, I would welcome the M10’s shift towards a thinner body.

I cannot comment on quality, but then again, I’m the type who contends that you can still get excellent quality from a Canon 20D, at least at lower ISO numbers.

That is, I’ve seen excellent shots, even low light ones, from most every Leica digital M since its introduction, and I would suspect that its latest iteration certainly handles low light better than the 20D.

On a purely philosophical level, when video first appeared on DSLRs, my concern was that perfectly fine still cameras would soon be judged harshly on something that, to very subjective me, was frivolous, and I appreciate Leica’s decision to boot video as an option on the M10. I also understand why this might irk the hell out of others, though.

All of this said, it’s expensive, but the longevity of digital cameras are expanding, and I’m sure someone out there with a first generation Canon 5D is still happily taking photos with it.

If the body width is not an issue, I would look at the 262 or even ME. Then again, if money was no object, I’d also check out the Monochrome, since I only shoot B&W, or even the M-D.

Also, I don’t want to seem presumptuous, as you might have years of experience with rangefinders, but if not, it involves a considerable shift…one that I loved, but one that to which others have struggled to acclimate.


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Jan 29, 2017 18:49 |  #3

An interview regarding the M10:

http://leicarumors.com …-dng-files-and-more.aspx/ (external link)


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Feb 02, 2017 11:53 |  #4

I read in from other reviewers/forums, that the m240 B&W shots are very close to and sometimes better than the output from the monochrom ( just opinions ofcoourse), but I find the output better than my canon dslr.

Another idea, as it seems that you want to move into digital, is to consider the m8 - yes, it's not a full frame, but the B&W tonality is different from current Leica, and actually with the proper filter, has double-duty as an b&w IR camera (purists will disagree on this one)

From all that I read so far, the m10 is a better camera than previous model - but it's just a tool. For some makes sense, for other not so much to upgrade

I have the m240 and m8 and will rather upgrade my glass, but that's just me


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Feb 06, 2017 19:19 |  #5

Phil actually have the original MM and its output in low light is better the the M 240. I have an M 262 and I can tell you first hand the original MM is better in low light and the B&W files are better and the 262 has an updated sensor with supposedly less banding than the 240. I can only imagine how good the new MM is compared to the 240.




  
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Feb 07, 2017 14:39 |  #6

Some likes M8 BW, some needs MM for it, others are OK with M240 BW. I'm very happy with M-E bw. I think, with any Leica it is good. At least to me in comparison to Canon 5D earlier series BW I have before, where it was too plastic to my eye.
I printed bw from M8 and from M-E with pigment inks and I could see the difference, but both gives nice bw.

Where is so much fuzz about size and weight of M10. But they just made it back to normal :)
M9 is 585g. 139 x 80 x 37 mm. M10 is 660 g. 139 x 80 x 39 mm. If size is considerable plus...


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Feb 14, 2017 09:54 |  #7

I have the M240 and work in a Leica Boutique (not actually my dept, but i do get to play with the Leicas quite a bit)

From my point of view.

1. Its Thinner - it feels too thin to me, but my first M was the M240, if it had been a film body my opinion may be different.

2. Bigger viewfinder - the actual hole in the back is bigger, and you can see much better - kinda like going from an APS-C SLR to full frame (maybe not quite that big of a jump, but it is noticable)
It also appears to be a little bit easier to focus, but I would need to test side by side with my M240

3. ISO - much cleaner - took a few pics with the M10 in a dark bar the other night - I would say it is as clean, or cleaner than the 1DX i used to have.

4. Wifi - I havent used it yet. In my previous job, this would have been amazing. Now, it doesnt matter for me, although i do like that the M has caught up.

5. ISO dial - I like being able to see at a glance all three settings - even with the camera switched off.
The M240 isnt hard to change ISO on though.


Do i want one - Yes
Will i get one - Maybe the P version - with the change in jobs, I am not using my M240 enough to really justify the upgrade - the SL is also calling to me....


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Aug 03, 2017 08:43 |  #8

I have had the M8 M9 M and now the M10. I never liked the M 240 it was too bulky and never felt good a little to heavy.I somehow had two M9s which I loved even though the high iso was non existent. the M I never felt like getting a secind I would love tow M10s but alas money and I are not getting along these days.




  
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Aug 04, 2017 06:42 |  #9

I received mine a few weeks ago and I can't say enough good things about it. Great in low light, very responsive. The finest digital camera I have shot with and I have shot with a lot of digital cameras.




  
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Jul 06, 2018 18:57 |  #10

I had the Leica M10 for 1 year and just sold it to get back into the Canon system because I need video capabilities.

Here are my thoughts:

The Leica M10 is an amazing piece of engineering. It is a perfect size and weight for travel and street photography. It's discrete. It's small. It's just a very intimate camera, meaning you can get up close and not startle or disturb people.

The M-system lenses are just stunning. The micro-contrast or "Leica look" is incredibly unique. To me, obtaining those types of renderings in your photos is the reason why you go to Leica.

The sensor is also lovely and creates beautiful colors. The one caveat is that it is really sensitive to highlights. Many M10 users will tell you to underexpose by at least .3 because the highlights easily clip. The dynamic range is not world-record breaking by any means.

Battery life is better than expected. You have to be careful in less than perfect weather as it is not fully weather sealed.




  
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Aug 10, 2018 08:23 |  #11

minsoochoiphoto wrote in post #18657594 (external link)
I had the Leica M10 for 1 year and just sold it to get back into the Canon system because I need video capabilities.

Here are my thoughts:

The Leica M10 is an amazing piece of engineering. It is a perfect size and weight for travel and street photography. It's discrete. It's small. It's just a very intimate camera, meaning you can get up close and not startle or disturb people.

The M-system lenses are just stunning. The micro-contrast or "Leica look" is incredibly unique. To me, obtaining those types of renderings in your photos is the reason why you go to Leica.

The sensor is also lovely and creates beautiful colors. The one caveat is that it is really sensitive to highlights. Many M10 users will tell you to underexpose by at least .3 because the highlights easily clip. The dynamic range is not world-record breaking by any means.

Battery life is better than expected. You have to be careful in less than perfect weather as it is not fully weather sealed.

I had shot with Canon digital for a decade and I hire photographers to shoot with me on really big assignments and one shoots Canon and the other with Nikon and Leica M 10 files have so much in the shadows that can be pulled up without the usual noise and banding you se in others. I've been shooting with an MM since 2012 so I was used to exposing with a camera that is even more unforgiving to highlights than an M 10. I compare it to shooting transparency film. If you blow the highlights there is nothing to get back. You learn quickly how to expose for that.

I went all Leica M digital 3 years ago with NO REGRETS. I plan own selling my M-E this fall and picking up another M 10. Agree with you about Leica M glass.




  
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