X100F

I'm not really changing camera brands, but addint a brand. I've gotten out of the habit of carrying my camera with me all the time. ALthought hte 80D isn't huge, when you add fast glass it is pretty big and it gets in the way.

After renting it a few times and finding that I really do need to actually read the manual to get good results I've decided on FujiFilm 100 series, the model just comming up the X100F. All the issues I was having with the camera turned out to be operator error. Not paying attention to set up, not understanding how it works, etc. The learning curve is pretty steep. And learning to zoom with my feet is fun too.

As I work hard to become a real photographer and not just a photography magazine collector (British mags) actually having a camera with me and using it is a big step.

I had been saving for the Canon6D MkII when it comes out but in reality my photogrpahy hasn't advanced to a point where I would get any real benifit. I'm going to keep using my 80D till it falls apart and the X100F in my pocket at all times.

I'd suggest buying an X-T20 (with touch screen) when it comes out. It will have a 24mp sensor with the option of changing lenses. Throw on an 27mm f/2.8 pancake and shoot away. Another lens to try is the tiny 23mm f/2.

I barely notice my X-T10 on my hip (using spider holster) when I go out on walks. That combo is definitely smaller and lighter than an 80d.

One thing to consider is that even an X100F is not truly pocket size. In due time I'll be picking up an X-T2 for small form factor. Having an X-T2 is like having your 80D with you but in Fuji flavour. The X-T2 would in fact outperform the 80D in many ways except DPAF auto focus in Video.

I look at photography as opportunities in capturing moments. Personally I'd take the tiny X-T10 or X-T20 with interchangeable lenses over a fixed lens body any day. I'd rather buy an X-t2 over lugging a smaller fixed lens body. The native fuji glass is so small that I cannot see any real advantages having a fixed lens body.

I've used my small 80D in some challenging light snowy hills (not ideal conditions to shoot) I achieved incredible captures both video and stills. Both of my 16MP fuji bodies would have failed miserably in those conditions. However I know the X-T2 would have worked great in those same conditions with an external flash. Fixed prime would have been a horrible tool to document such situations.

Using an X-T10 with stellar 18-55 kit lens will do a better job in capturing moments in more situations than a fixed lens.

I shoot primes and zooms and I've been in many situations when I wish i had a prime on.....also there are more cases in events photography where I wish I had a zoom on instead.

Everybody has different applications

AlanU wrote in post #18265996
I'd suggest buying an X-T20 (with touch screen) when it comes out. It will have a 24mp sensor with the option of changing lenses. Throw on an 27mm f/2.8 pancake and shoot away. Another lens to try is the tiny 23mm f/2.

I barely notice my X-T10 on my hip (using spider holster) when I go out on walks. That combo is definitely smaller and lighter than an 80d.

One thing to consider is that even an X100F is not truly pocket size. In due time I'll be picking up an X-T2 for small form factor. Having an X-T2 is like having your 80D with you but in Fuji flavour. The X-T2 would in fact outperform the 80D in many ways except DPAF auto focus in Video.

I look at photography as opportunities in capturing moments. Personally I'd take the tiny X-T10 or X-T20 with interchangeable lenses over a fixed lens body any day. I'd rather buy an X-t2 over lugging a smaller fixed lens body. The native fuji glass is so small that I cannot see any real advantages having a fixed lens body.

I've used my small 80D in some challenging light snowy hills (not ideal conditions to shoot) I achieved incredible captures both video and stills. Both of my 16MP fuji bodies would have failed miserably in those conditions. However I know the X-T2 would have worked great in those same conditions with an external flash. Fixed prime would have been a horrible tool to document such situations.

Using an X-T10 with stellar 18-55 kit lens will do a better job in capturing moments in more situations than a fixed lens.

I shoot primes and zooms and I've been in many situations when I wish i had a prime on.....also there are more cases in events photography where I wish I had a zoom on instead.

Everybody has different applications

As a previous owner of an X-E1 and X-E2 as well as the 27mm pancake and current owner of an X100T... the X100T is still the less obtrusive camera. I loved my X-E2, so much so that I may still opt for the X-E3 whenever it comes out (seriously Fuji, what's the hold up?), but the X100T is just different, in a way that can't be matched by any of the ILC that Fuji offers in my opinion.

And yes, it is absolutely truly pocket size... I put mine in my hoodie or jacket pocket all the time. In the summer I sometimes tossed my X-E2 into my cargo pocket in my shorts, the X100T is even smaller, so why wouldn't it too fit? No, it's not a P&S that you can cram into your jeans, but I don't think anyone thinks it is.

The advantage of a fixed lens body is that you can just grab it and go and not think at all about what FL you want to take with, whether or not you should bring a second lens, a bag, whatever, just grab the camera and go. I was very hesitant about trading my X-E2 for my X100T for the very same reasons you mentioned, but I'm very glad I did, it's a liberating thing to have the everyday "grab and go" camera, and my more focused day of shooting camera (my X-Pro2). It also throws in added bonuses like the built in ND filter (which was super handy on my ski trip last weekend) and the much more noteworthy leaf shutter... I'm also a huge fan of the hybrid viewfinder, but that's something that's definitely subjective.

The point is, the OP clearly stated that he wanted a camera to supplement his DSLR... the X100F is an excellent choice and I would argue it's the best choice.

I am able to fit my X100T in my hoodie, coat, shorts pocket as long as I'm not using the lens hood which is less often these days. I own an Xe-2 along with my X100T and I am 99% more likely to grab the X100T. If you just want to take photos and not have to invest in new glass and want something small, I say go for the X100F.

AlanU wrote in post #18265996
The native fuji glass is so small that I cannot see any real advantages having a fixed lens body.

It may not matter to you, but to others that leaf shutter may be a nifty feature.

PineBomb wrote in post #18272578
It may not matter to you, but to others that leaf shutter may be a nifty feature.

With HSS available now with the the EF-X500 flash it's no different having a focal plane shutter on a Fuji X-t1, 5dmk4, D810 etc.

However I can see the benefits of "NOT" using an electronic shutter for faster shutter speeds.

I'll have to admit I've seen absolutely no major differences in photos of many X100 users that posted photos compared to a run of the mill Fuji interchangeable body with a slapped on 27mm f/2.8 for good/ideal lighting.

Due to the small form factor of fuji bodies I'd rather have an XT20 with 23mm f/2 with a 35mm or 56mm in my coat pocket

Yes everyone is different. I shoot primes equally as much as zooms and I would feel some form of limitation with a fixed lens. I guess everyone will need to test an x100 or force to use a 1 prime all of the time.

AlanU wrote in post #18272596
With HSS available now with the the EF-X500 flash it's no different having a focal plane shutter on a Fuji X-t1, 5dmk4, D810 etc.

HSS via flash and focal plane shutter is different from HSS via leaf shutter. A leaf shutter based camera needs a lot less flash power than HSS on a focal plane shutter.

AlanU wrote in post #18272596
With HSS available now with the the EF-X500 flash it's no different having a focal plane shutter on a Fuji X-t1, 5dmk4, D810 etc.

However I can see the benefits of "NOT" using an electronic shutter for faster shutter speeds.

I'll have to admit I've seen absolutely no major differences in photos of many X100 users that posted photos compared to a run of the mill Fuji interchangeable body with a slapped on 27mm f/2.8 for good/ideal lighting.

Due to the small form factor of fuji bodies I'd rather have an XT20 with 23mm f/2 with a 35mm or 56mm in my coat pocket

Yes everyone is different. I shoot primes equally as much as zooms and I would feel some form of limitation with a fixed lens. I guess everyone will need to test an x100 or force to use a 1 prime all of the time.

HSS is not the same thing as a leaf shutter... not only that, but you're restricted to using ONLY the EF-X500, a $450 flash... with the X100T/F you can sync to 1/2000s with any flash, even the in-body flash.

I'm not sure what your point was with the electronic shutter comment...?

And again, you're glossing over the other advantages of the X100 line over one of the other ILC's with the 27mm (which is a fantastic lens); Built in ND filter, 1-stop faster lens, significantly closer focusing, etc.

We get that the X100 doesn't work for you... the point is that for the particular individual who started this thread the X100F sounds ideal, it's not about what's best for you, it's about what's best for the TS.

cug wrote in post #18272661
HSS via flash and focal plane shutter is different from HSS via leaf shutter. A leaf shutter based camera needs a lot less flash power than HSS on a focal plane shutter.

This.

The leaf shutter and the hybrid viewfinder were the two biggest draws for me to trade my X-E2 for an X100T. If I had to live with only one camera it would for sure be my X-Pro2 because I love having multiple lens choices, but the benefits of the X100 line are clear for anyone willing to look.

Britania757 wrote in post #18272548
I am able to fit my X100T in my hoodie, coat, shorts pocket as long as I'm not using the lens hood which is less often these days. I own an Xe-2 along with my X100T and I am 99% more likely to grab the X100T. If you just want to take photos and not have to invest in new glass and want something small, I say go for the X100F.

I bought a smaller hood for my X100T the very day I bought it... never been a fan of the vented lens hoods. I highly recommend the hood I got, not only is it a lot smaller than the original hood, but it protects the lens better.

Here's the hood I use; https://www.amazon.com …=sr-1&keywords=X100t+hood And no, it does not vignette, and yes, it does seem to block just as many (if not more) flares Though admittedly it's not as stylish.

cug wrote in post #18272661
HSS via flash and focal plane shutter is different from HSS via leaf shutter. A leaf shutter based camera needs a lot less flash power than HSS on a focal plane shutter.

I'm not concerned of the technical differences of the two shutters as the fixed lens is a serious obstacle for my uses. Non interchangeable (Fixed lens) lens is not desirable for my uses as this is strictly a personal preference thing.......

HSS with focal plane shutter is something I've only known as a dslr shooter. Battery life has never been an issue for my Canon flash. Probably majority of all X100 users do not use flash on their fixed bodies anyways.

If I was truly pushed to shoot high shutter speed in bright light I'd buy an ND filter for my X-T10 or X-T2.

One of the best things about photography as a hobby is that there are options for just about everyone.

So far I'm in the I'm frustrated with the learning curve stage, but it is meeting my objectives. OVer the years I've always been more a camera magazine collector and not a real photographer.

As a suplament to my current kit, having a fixed lens is brining me back to the things I learned in school decades ago. 50mm lens and sunny 16. My iphone just wasn't cutting it. HAving the camera in my pocket or hanging off my belt almost all the time is allowing me to watch light and shadow and work on captureing them.

I'm learning to see or rather recognize things that Im seeing. Now that being said I'm sitting here with my 80D and a 500mm lens following the squirls and birds in my back yard.

The X100t is fun and i'm looking forward to the F arriving.

inwardphoto wrote in post #18273307
One of the best things about photography as a hobby is that there are options for just about everyone.

So far I'm in the I'm frustrated with the learning curve stage, but it is meeting my objectives. OVer the years I've always been more a camera magazine collector and not a real photographer.

As a suplament to my current kit, having a fixed lens is brining me back to the things I learned in school decades ago. 50mm lens and sunny 16. My iphone just wasn't cutting it. HAving the camera in my pocket or hanging off my belt almost all the time is allowing me to watch light and shadow and work on captureing them.

I'm learning to see or rather recognize things that Im seeing. Now that being said I'm sitting here with my 80D and a 500mm lens following the squirls and birds in my back yard.

The X100t is fun and i'm looking forward to the F arriving.

Cool to see how different bodies work so differently for everyone's application.

While your using a long telephoto on the 80D it's totally different in my application. I'll use mine for video and some events work with remote flash.

Enjoy the new X100F

AlanU wrote in post #18272916
If I was truly pushed to shoot high shutter speed in bright light I'd buy an ND filter for my X-T10 or X-T2.

Sorry to say but you should really learn about the differences. This has nothing to do with the batteries in the flash. It's that you can use HSS with any flash, even small ones, and you only need a single flash, not many in very quick succession which means that you can use only a small percentage of the actual flash power in HSS with focal plane shutter.

I get that fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, but at least understand the actual technical benefits of certain technologies before commenting like this. Oh, and btw: the X100F has an ND filter built in.

cug wrote in post #18273390
Sorry to say but you should really learn about the differences. This has nothing to do with the batteries in the flash. It's that you can use HSS with any flash, even small ones, and you only need a single flash, not many in very quick succession which means that you can use only a small percentage of the actual flash power in HSS with focal plane shutter.

I get that fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, but at least understand the actual technical benefits of certain technologies before commenting like this. Oh, and btw: the X100F has an ND filter built in.

The reason I refer to batteries in the flash is that I fully understand the multiple burst of HSS vs a single full power burst withing the max flash sync capabilities of the mechanical shutter.

Due to the nature of HSS the photographer would possibly need to increase the FEC of the flash to increase the flash power of the already inefficient HSS "bursts". Therefore this potentially draws more power from the AA batteries.

HSS outside in bright light and battery power is a very relevant topic. I "know the differences".

The one benefit of the X100 bodies is that it does have an ND filter as the leaf shutters maxed out speed is only 1/4000 compared to the 1/8000 of the focal plane shutters. If you think of it the ND is a bonus and a requirement to help keep the mechanical shutter speeds with stopping down the light that hits the sensor.

So basically an Xpro2, xt2 with ND filter with a mechanical shutter capable of 1/8000 has more benefits (stopping action with less awkward looking fast moving images.)than a fixed lens X100 with ND filter capable of only 1/4000 mechanical shutter. The only "con" is bulkier Xpro2, Xt2 and additional filters to mount on lens. Not fond of stacking ND filters.....

With a fixed wide angle lens the benefit of the X100 is pancake size lens that is only f/2. Majority of photos I've ever seen with the X100 is natural light and not studio or run/gun HSS flash for events. It's a niche camera and I get it........

cug wrote in post #18273390
Sorry to say but you should really learn about the differences. This has nothing to do with the batteries in the flash. It's that you can use HSS with any flash, even small ones, and you only need a single flash, not many in very quick succession which means that you can use only a small percentage of the actual flash power in HSS with focal plane shutter.

I get that fixed lens cameras aren't for everyone, but at least understand the actual technical benefits of certain technologies before commenting like this. Oh, and btw: the X100F has an ND filter built in.

I'm starting to wonder if he's blocked me since he's completely ignored all the posts I've made clearly outlining the advantages of the X100 line...

AlanU wrote in post #18273441
The reason I refer to batteries in the flash is that I fully understand the multiple burst of HSS vs a single full power burst withing the max flash sync capabilities of the mechanical shutter.

Due to the nature of HSS the photographer would possibly need to increase the FEC of the flash to increase the flash power of the already inefficient HSS "bursts". Therefore this potentially draws more power from the AA batteries.

HSS outside in bright light and battery power is a very relevant topic. I "know the differences".

The one benefit of the X100 bodies is that it does have an ND filter as the leaf shutters maxed out speed is only 1/4000 compared to the 1/8000 of the focal plane shutters. If you think of it the ND is a bonus and a requirement to help keep the mechanical shutter speeds with stopping down the light that hits the sensor.

So basically an Xpro2, xt2 with ND filter with a mechanical shutter capable of 1/8000 has more benefits (stopping action with less awkward looking fast moving images.)than a fixed lens X100 with ND filter capable of only 1/4000 mechanical shutter. The only "con" is bulkier Xpro2, Xt2 and additional filters to mount on lens. Not fond of stacking ND filters.....

With a fixed wide angle lens the benefit of the X100 is pancake size lens that is only f/2. Majority of photos I've ever seen with the X100 is natural light and not studio or run/gun HSS flash for events. It's a niche camera and I get it........

Again, you understate the advantages of a leaf shutter and built in ND. With a built in ND you can get low shutter speed shots in bright lighting conditions without stopping your lens to f22 and introducing defraction. You can also shoot wide open in a wider variety of light. And the leaf shutter advantages have already been covered, they're also nearly silent without having to resort to using the electronic shutter to be quiet, thus you can avoid rolling shutter and mid exposure light changes (like with fluorescent lights).

You also talk about 1/8000s being an advantage of not going with the X100 when earlier the camera you suggested was an X-T20 which has the same 1/4000s limitation...

Also, having a pancake lens that is "only f2" is a pretty big deal. Go ahead and show me a faster, or even as fast pancake lens for XF mount, I'll wait...

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18273524
I'm starting to wonder if he's blocked me since he's completely ignored all the posts I've made clearly outlining the advantages of the X100 line...

Again, you understate the advantages of a leaf shutter and built in ND. With a built in ND you can get low shutter speed shots in bright lighting conditions without stopping your lens to f22 and introducing defraction. You can also shoot wide open in a wider variety of light. And the leaf shutter advantages have already been covered, they're also nearly silent without having to resort to using the electronic shutter to be quiet, thus you can avoid rolling shutter and mid exposure light changes (like with fluorescent lights).

You also talk about 1/8000s being an advantage of not going with the X100 when earlier the camera you suggested was an X-T20 which has the same 1/4000s limitation...

Also, having a pancake lens that is "only f2" is a pretty big deal. Go ahead and show me a faster, or even as fast pancake lens for XF mount, I'll wait...

Didn't ignore you....I'm busy

Everyone has different uses for gear. Yes it's convenient to have f/2 primes. Your 18mm f/2 is still a tiny lens giving you aprox 27mm equivalent. However I'd rather have a bag of primes that are interchangeable.

I understand you own an X100 camera so you can defend and be argumentative....as usual

The $1299USD ($1700 CDN) X100F is a neat product without a doubt.

I've looked into the X100 when fuji first introduced it many years ago. First Gen X100 had sticky leaf shutter issues with mass recalls.

Majority of the photos on the net show little difference between the leaf shutter vs focal plane shutters in the fuji world. I've seen very little advanced flash photography with the X100 series.

Again.....each to their own in how they use their gear. As long as the photog gets results and enjoys shooting with fuji or whatever manufacturer.