Lightoom vs Capture one Peformance

I have been using lightroom for many years to manage and edit my photos. I have the latest version as part of my CC subscription. But I have been getting irritated with the performance of lightroom when I start using adjustment brushes and ND filters. I have read some great reviews about capture one's raw editing, but how is the performance ? Does it have similar issues once you start using layers and do more heavy editing ?

Also recently I picked up the Fuji X-T2 camera, and will be using Irident X-transformer (beta for windows) to convert my compressed RAF to DNG prior to loading them in lightroom or capture one. I know lighroom has the capability to use the different film simulation using the profile selection. Does capture one provide the same functionality ?

I still plan on keeping my Adobe CC subscription for Photoshop.
I also will be using Fast Raw viewer to do my culling before doing any RAW conversion.

So my workflow is: Fast Raw Viewer -> Irident X-Transformer -> lightroom or capture one.

I have pretty good system running on i5 4670K @ 4.2GHz, 32GB RAM, GTX 980 video card. OS, photo library and Cache on separate SSDs

Your system seems up to spec, similar to mine. I do not have the problems w/ LR as you are. I wonder what the difference could be....

I have two laptops, one is i5 and one is i7. I had performance issues with LR but it was only on one machine and to my surprise it was the more powerful machine.

Every time I used a brush the system slowed down dramatically. I tried all the optimize LR tips from the Adobe site (https://helpx.adobe.co​m …erformance-lightroom.html) and even reinstalled LR from scratch but nothing worked. Then one day I booted up my old machine and found to my surprise that there was no slow down at all.

As a final toss of the dice I did a reinstall of Windows and then all my apps and voilà, no more slow down. I can only assume that it was an out of date or corrupted driver file.

I have issues also with Lightroom. I have a relatively new Macbook Pro spec'd to max ram, cpu etc and it still runs like a dog when multiple brushes are used. I thought it may be because I upgraded to a 50Mp 5dsr and it was the bigger files slowing things down however when I send/export the file to Photoshop and use that instead for my editing the system is fine. Obviously its lightroom thats at fault here because after realising PS was handling the exported Tiff ok I then searched the Internet found tons of info regarding slowdowns when multiple brushes are used,. I also saw that many disable sharpening and noise reduction until just before export and then apply it as the last thing before saving the file as this was also a culprit of a system slowdown when combined with multiple incidences of the brush tool at any one time.

I have also tested/trialed capture one for a few weeks late last year and had absolutely no slow downs whatsoever. And its RAW converter is better than Lightrooms IMO. The only issue I had was its hard to work fast with Capture ones tools. Probably because Im so used to Lightroom and its hard for me to change my style to suit Capture One tool layout. Doesnt seem as intuitive as Lightroom work flow wise and I found the capture one menu layout seemed more cluttered and not as clean as Lightroom. Maybe its just me not giving Capture One enough time to get used to it. I think its worth revisiting though as I dont think Adobe rate these system slowdowns a big enough priority to work on update fixes as if they had we would have seen something by now given this has been going on now for over a year ...

As an FYI, unlike Lightroom, CaptureOne permits the user to reconfigure the "workspace" in any way that suits the user and workflow. Here is a blog entry (a series of four of them, actually - scroll to the bottom of the page to access links to the other workspace blog entries):

http://blog.phaseone.c​om/workspace-landscape/

with downloadable workspaces to try for various photography genres (landscape, wedding, portrait, personal work).

If you get dizzy looking at all of the tools and tabs and menus in the C1 workspace, you can eliminate clutter and rearrange things to adapt the workspace to your personal workflow and save your workspaces to switch between various ones while you cull, edit, color grade and retouch, etc. Give it a shot - the current C1 version (v10) has a free trial so you can run a bunch of your test images through it and other raw converters to see which works best for you.

kirk

What you described here is the exact same issue I am having. I don't mind going through the learning curve of Capture one, as long as it does not have any performance issue. I am going try to their trial version. My only two issue with capture one is that they don't support fuji's compressed raw format yet, and their pricing model. But even though lighroom supports x-trans compressed raw, their decoding is not very good. What I liked about lightroom was the simplicity to do all in one package with the occasional need to use photoshop. But I guess you cant have it all.

monty87 wrote in post #18269691
What you described here is the exact same issue I am having. I don't mind going through the learning curve of Capture one, as long as it does not have any performance issue. I am going try to their trial version. My only two issue with capture one is that they don't support fuji's compressed raw format yet, and their pricing model. But even though lighroom supports x-trans compressed raw, their decoding is not very good. What I liked about lightroom was the simplicity to do all in one package with the occasional need to use photoshop. But I guess you cant have it all.

WHat about Silkypix "Developer Studio" for the RAF's?...I remember I used it a while ago when I was doing a lot of RAF edits from my Xt1 . Now seeing as I use the 5dsr more Im using Lightroom for the RAF's because I am using Lightroom for the 5dsr and only want to use one editing package. I do remember though Silkypix Pro was way better for RAF decoding than lightroom was ...thats 100% for sure. And its probably better than capture one also given Fujifilm Engineers worked with Silkypix engineers specifically to handle their new xtran sensor technology RAW captures/decoding when it was released. I think this happened due to fact Silkypix is also Jap co. From memory Silkypix Developer is the Japanese equivalent of Lightroom ... I also remember Silky Pix Developer Pro didnt have the issue lightroom had with RAF RAW conversions whereby on occasions it would create painted /smeared effect in the image . Mainly appeared in parts of an image such as dense bush etc

CAn see SilkyPix Developer "professional edition" software here

https://silkypix.isl.c​o.jp/en/

I will have to look into SilkyPix. The Fuji download site does have a software "Raw File Converter EX 2 powered by Silkypix" but I have not tried it out yet. Currently I am testing Irident X-transformer Beta (for Windows PC) for doing the conversion.

monty87 wrote in post #18270214
I will have to look into SilkyPix. The Fuji download site does have a software "Raw File Converter EX 2 powered by Silkypix" but I have not tried it out yet. Currently I am testing Irident X-transformer Beta (for Windows PC) for doing the conversion.

I think thats the cut down version of Silkypix that used to be bundled in with fujis xpro1 and earlier xtrans cameras as at time of xpro1 release Lightroom couldnt process Fuji Raws . If your interested the full pro version with all tools that lightroom has is available on 30 day free trial .

Here is the download link http://silkypix.isl.co​.jp/en/download/dsp7/

I've been using SilkyPix 5 for a couple years on and off. It is a very powerful program but it uses a lot of resources. I believe more than Lightroom 5 does. It takes a little getting used too.
David

Lightroom performance issues are caused by the constant read/write operations with your SSD (or HDD). Adobe will not change anything except new useless bells-n-whistles. But if you lazy and all about batch editing its a good option for you.

Capture One performance issues are caused by the real time rendering every time you change any parameter or drawing a mask, or whatever. You can try to fix it using the most optimized GPU.

SilkyPix using a floating number operations inside its engine. Its some kind of a RPP with a human face instead of step-by-step-press-render-button. Anyway its a black hole for your computing power.

Summary: Calm down, nothing depends from you.

stronics wrote in post #18273223
I've been using SilkyPix 5 for a couple years on and off. It is a very powerful program but it uses a lot of resources. I believe more than Lightroom 5 does. It takes a little getting used too.
David

I used Silky years ago. I really liked it and I can't remember why I went back to Adobe. I had already owned PS but I think getting LR for mass edits did it. I also switched to Mac and never bothered to make the changes.

sergezap wrote in post #18292655
Lightroom performance issues are caused by the constant read/write operations with your SSD (or HDD). Adobe will not change anything except new useless bells-n-whistles.

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Well I think Ive finally made some headway with Adobe technical support re Lightroom lagging when using multiple brush tools. Basically this is what happened.

Late last week I had finally had enough and rang Adobe HQ for Australia in Sydney. I asked for their Marketing Manager as I wished to complain about lack of support re this lagging issue and the fact it had been dragging on for over 12 months etc etc with no fix from Adobe .Anyway they told me he wasnt in ( surprise surprise) but would pass on a message. Well, I said, let him know I have had a gutfull of Adobes technical support and that I have rung multiple times over last 12 months and got absolutely no where with a fix to this lagging issue and Im fed up with this.. I also said it was almost as though Adobe refused to achnowledge that there is a problem etc etc . Basically it was a situation where Adobe were very happy to sell me plans etc for their software products but when the product happened to have a problem they were nowhere to be seen in any meaningful way re support to help fix the problem!.....And thats not a good way to maintain customer loyalty etc etc

So after leaving the message I resigned myself to the fact that my message would go into a black hole and that would be the end of it . Well how wrong I was on that. Wiithin approx 20 mins of my call I had multiple Adobe people all trying to contact me by mobile. I ended up remote session with adobe level 1 support again and showed them the issue first hand..... They agreed there were issues and then arranged this to go to second level support. I was then contacted by Photography group second level and the tech asked for more details regarding hardware, my camera model/RAW file details , etc etc . Then they asked for me to supply them with screen dumps of certain info and finally they have now requested I create a test catalogue including the images they saw lagging on their remote session. I suspect they are now going to load the catalogue on a macbook pro same as mine and recreate the problem to see what is causing this. In addition to this the second level support tech also mentioned they may need to try an work out which GPU,s are affected etc in order to contruct a modification!...Im assuming this would be a patch for some of Apples GPUs that are affected by the multiple brush lag. The best thing for me was the Adobe support guy remotely seeing this issue for himself. Even better was there could be no argument it was something in the OS/System configuration of my macbook pro laptop( late 2015 model with highest cpu gpu pec'd hardware config availible at time )because I had actually had apple replace my laptop 4 weeks ago( fauty display etc) with another one exactly the same and Lightroom was also lagging on this laptop as well .......and this was a laptop with a pristine new install of OSX Sierra unlike my other laptop that had had an upgrade fro el capitan to Sierra. So It had to be Lightroom....

And an update as of 10 mins ago .......Adobe Support have now uploaded 550Meg catalogue off my server to now test ( it was actually uploaded 3 times from 3 different Adobe groups /IP address's) so may get feedback sooner than thought to share with the thread.

Rgds

Clipper

We are waiting for the news, but It seems i have heard this story somewhere...

sergezap wrote in post #18296088
We are waiting for the news, but It seems i have heard this story somewhere...

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Yes your right....I too have heard this elsewhere many times before over last year or so haha....And since downloading my test catalogue a few days ago Adobe second level guys have gone very very quiet . Infact they have gone from at least 2 contacts with me per day leading up to the catalogue download to now total silence since Wed Either its gone into a big black hole again or they are still trying to figure it out! (lag on multiple brushes )


I will follow up tomorrow and see what they have to say...