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A Choice Posed for Pekka Re Gandini's Message

 
bnsfr
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Dec 15, 2001 14:49 |  #1

I'm still stewing over Professor Gandini's previous message. I began this message in a fury, and considered simply abandoning this site. Ironically, it is a week since I purchased the D30 (along with the the Canon 28-135 lens that I purchased based on advice from this forum). I decided to write this to you out of respect for your significant efforts in building and maintaining this site.

It saddens me to think that you're irritated by questions about lenses and the like. As someone who has posted two lens questions in the last month (after reading extensively about over a dozen lenses first by the way, something that I resent even stating), I can tell you that FAQs are one thing, people responding from similar experience about particular needs are another (something you did acknowledge in your reply to Professor Gandini). I have spent hours determining how to spend my 500 dollars on a lens, and I think I made the right choice with this forum's help.

But on a more deeper level, I had been touched and inspired by your commitment to both excellence and access at the same time. To me, digital photography is a continuation of computer technology's ability to break down walls and allow us to connect in ways previously unimaginable -- something photography itself has done since its invention. How else would I be sharing this experience with you? That is an extraordinary thing, and your site is unique. I had thought I understood its spirit. I think Professor Gandini's message smacks of an elitism and intolerance that is contrary to a forum for people who voluntarily commit their energies to a shared love.

If you intend the forum to have certain "standards" for entry, I suggest relabelling it for "professionals and experienced D30 users only" or some such claptrap. But otherwise, I hope Professor Gandini has the good sense to post an apology.

Pekka, I doubt I would have committed to the D30 without your forum, and your encouragement. I may never be a professional photographer -- hell, I may never be a good photographer -- but I share my hobby and growing knowledge freely with friends and family, and have found my photographs make people happy. I love that. I've taken photographs of community events for fundraisers, sent photographs over the web to grandparents who are too ill to visit, set up a shared site for my daughter's basketball team, taken professional photos for friends' web bios. Your site has been terrific. Even my eleven year old daughter and six year old son have become interested after we huddled around the computer and looked at your wonderful photographs. I am treasuring the opportunity to teach them a bit about art with your help.

But that's me, Pekka. I don't know a linear whatchamacallit from a lemon -- yet. I'm not here to disturb any plan that you or your colleagues may have for this site. I resent Mr. Gandini's message, though (as you can see, I'm really quite annoyed), and I was not particularly happy to find you agreeing with him (at all) in your reply. I give you the choice as Moderator -- if you welcome people like myself with more limited experience at this level participating, I'm in -- but only if I can ask any good faith question or make any good faith comment I please. If you want to informally limit it, say the word and I'm gone.

I invite anyone else to comment on this message as well, including Professor Gandini. If I don't reply immediately, it is only because I have work to do and children to take care of, limiting my ability to do so. I will eventually, though.




  
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beach512
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Dec 15, 2001 21:20 |  #2

I respect Dr. Gandini's comment. I have enjoyed his posts and contributions to this forum. His website is very good too. Maybe he will get a D30 to replace his G1 for Christmas. I think there would be a change in tone then.
I know I was plenty envious of those who had D30's when I did not. In fact, one of my first posts blasted a guy named Redbutt (I really regret it now - Sorry to all and especially to Redbutt) about some pictures he had just taken with a new D30. How I wanted one! I did get one in October and now love it. I also have much more patience now with others who do have it. I do not mind the repeated posts. They are useful, and give a chance for the newer experts to explain their newfound understanding via the written word. This field is growing, changing so rapidly and thank goodness for those who are buying in. It is fueling the changes for improvement even more. Today's answer may not be the best answer tomorrow. If I don't want to read a repeated lens question, I will skip over it.

Dave




  
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louis
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Dec 15, 2001 22:13 |  #3

Again I will stick my 2 pesos in this discussion. I was referred to this site by a professional photog friend because he knew I wanted a D-30 in the worst way and would find the answers to my many questions here. This is really a big decision to make. Do I want one, YES, do i need one, NO, can I afford one, touchy subject with kids in school. I have not purchased the elusive d-30 yet, hope to do so, soon. I have read just about every post of interest to me and still have many questions, but to be truthful, I am afraid to ask. I have tried the search function, but find it only a bit useful, it will bring up too many non related posts. If this forum is going to be open to "the group that has not put the money on the table yet", fine, if not, I and others, I'm sure, will go elsewhere.




  
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Dec 16, 2001 05:55 |  #4

bnsfr wrote:
I resent Mr. Gandini's message, though (as you can see, I'm really quite annoyed), and I was not particularly happy to find you agreeing with him (at all) in your reply. I give you the choice as Moderator -- if you welcome people like myself with more limited experience at this level participating, I'm in -- but only if I can ask any good faith question or make any good faith comment I please. If you want to informally limit it, say the word and I'm gone.

Ben,

I short: I agreed with Gandini that it's sometimes annoying to watch same questions posted again and again - that people usually don't search if the subject has been opened elsewhere before they post.

I think I said in that post too that I think e.g. lens questions are "personal" and can't be answered in FAQ's or reading old posts.

I have nothing against any questions or postings and I certainly do not want to discriminate ANY member by level of "expertise" (I'm not a pro photographer, remember: I'm a musician who started a a photography hobby with a G1 gallery one year ago!).

I'm sorry if I did not place my words clearly enough - but my english is not perfect and sometimes I write in great hurry and my meaning does not come through as clearly as it would have been if I wrote it in Finnish. I think same thing happened in the forum description: "This is a forum for higher end Canon digital camera enthusiasts".
It does not mean "higher end enthusiasts using Canon cameras", it means "enthusiasts using higher end Canon cameras".


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Dec 16, 2001 09:17 |  #5

Pekka,

I appreciate you taking the time to clarify thngs. Your English is fine, by the way, and your inspiration transcends all languages regardless. Thanks, Ben.




  
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nitwit3
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Dec 16, 2001 09:42 |  #6

Hello Pekka. I understand Gandini's point of view although I'm not in total agreement. Your site is marvelous. You are too!

Your pictures were among those that gave me inspiration and a guide to improve as a photographer.
Your site is special. My lens choices turned out to be very wise and complete as a result of your and others advice. I made no mistakes as a result.

I see great merit in the post of "Beach"...great merit indeed...I believe he hit the nail on the head. Gandini was one that inspired me to loosen up and venture into better photography with his examples to learn by.

I have pic galleries for all my experimental stuff which is required if I am to learn. I have opened another with my most recent pics which represent my best Pekka imitation:)) under a different name than Nitwit.
Taken Friday in Atlanta...4 pics is all.

http://www.pbase.com/r​ealtiger/city_strolls (external link)

Larry M.
Atlanta, Ga




  
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