Canon finally introduces Dual pixel AF in a Rebel series T7i and new 77D ??

Canon really needs to keep up with other manufacturers.....this is a good step!!

Sounds like they are both rebels, the 77d is really the t7s? It is about time, though. Bring on the SL2 with these specs!

http://www.canonrumors​.com/canon-announces-the-eos-77d/

I don't understand, what exactly is the 77D? If the T7i can shoot 6fps and has the same 45 point AF module? Probably weather sealing? Odd move Canon, especially as the 80D is not that pricey.

I'm also confused by the 77D. It looks to be an 80D with upgraded Digic 7 processor and in-camera 5-axis electronic movie image stabilization. But then it is limited to 6FPS, has a pentamirror instead of pentaprism viewfinder and still lacks 4k video. This so could have been a step-up from the 80D instead of half a step down. If the Digic 6+ can do 4K why can't the Digic 7, other than market positioning?

The 77D is a replacement for the 70D.
Technically, it's the same as the 800D. But you see the difference in ergonomics. The 77D has a top LCD, for example. The 800D doesn't.

No, the 77D is the successor to the Rebel T6S, but they don't want to keep the same moniker, so they chose 77D. They have 3, maybe 4, Rebel lines. The dumbed down series, the normal Rebel line, and a souped up Rebel, and if they continue the SL1, a mini Rebel.

I wonder if the xxD series is about done. They will continue that as the advanced Rebel but charge as much as the xxD line.

Yes, that's another way to put it. The 77D is, by Canon, seen as a replacement for both the 760D and the 70D. Both these models are cancelled, when the 77D comes in below the 80D.
The 750D will be kept for a while longer, though.

As you appropriately point out, the Rebel moniker, which seems to have been created once just to confuse Americans, as it's not used elsewhere, was at least at the beginning used to point out a model that was the simplest, but still competent enough to do what several better cameras could do. In a way, like a true rebel. But now the numbering scheme used on other markets, like in Europe, makes more sense.

The model numbering is still very odd, and is inconsistent still though. They announced the T7i, and the 77D (T7s). Why rename one and not the other? It seems that consumers were confused about the differences between the Rebel T6i and T6s, so they want to stop using that nomenclature.

So the next high end rebel is the 78D, then 79D, then what? The 80D, which is the successor to the 70D, already exists.

The xxD line cannot continue down its road either, because 2 generations later will hit the 100D.

The main rebel line has the same problem too, but farther out. Once the 990D is replaced, you cannot go with the 1000D.

The prosumer model line of xD, again, has the same problem. You can only have an 8D and 9D in the future, but not a 10D.

Canon has put themselves into a naming bind, and did it again here. By making numbers mean something in the past by number of digits in that line, they are approaching the inevitable model collision.

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Yes, the only number that lasts forever seems to be 1.
Look at the printer line, where PRO 1 is better than PRO 10, which is better than PRO 100, where now the top model is PRO 1000.

Maybe they plan to go strictly with the "Mark" designations in the future. Perhaps there won't be a 78D, but a 77D Mark 2.

Nah, it will be FX, FT and then FTb etc. All over again.

apersson850 wrote in post #18274161
The 77D is a replacement for the 70D.
Technically, it's the same as the 800D. But you see the difference in ergonomics. The 77D has a top LCD, for example. The 800D doesn't.

i always thought the 80D was the replacement to the 70D...as an owner of a 70D, i don't see why i would want a 77D at all

i don't get their numbering names at all...they come out with the EOSM5...then now released today is the EOSM6, but it's got lower specs....you've got the M10 too

i feel like the 77D is just going to confuse many people...

apersson850 wrote in post #18274287
Yes, the only number that lasts forever seems to be 1.
Look at the printer line, where PRO 1 is better than PRO 10, which is better than PRO 100, where now the top model is PRO 1000.

Perhaps someone in the Marketing department was exposed to too much radiation from the damaged reactors at Fukushima

Unless Canon has completely ignored or changed its designation scheme, the 77D is NOT a Rebel. It is purposefully designated to sit between the 70D and 80D, both in terms of capability as well as model number. My question is why? Is there still high demand for the 70D vs the 80D and this represents Canon's way of moving their customers forward?

I was just on a call today with my daughter. One of her contract photographers had a tripod with 70D and EF-S 17-55 knocked-over, and the camera and lens separated into pieces. The insurance company is sending her a check to replace the camera and lens. We talked about whether to get another 70D, a 77D or an 80D. We couldn't see any reason to not get an 80D for it's better autofocus and DR compared to the 70D, and were concerned that the pentamirror viewfinder on the 77D would be a limitation. I can't find out if the 77D can do MFA, but that would be another consideration. I think that most people faced with a similar dilemma will make a similar decision.

Now if there was an 87D with 4K video for an extra $300 over the 80D it would have been a different conversation.

Sometimes I just fail to grasp the decisions made by camera and lens manufacturers. For example, why in the world did Sigma discontinue the 50-150/2.8 OS and not introduce an upgraded version? The 50-100/1.8 is nice but it lacks image stabilization that is so important when shooting video. I would pay 70-200 money for a good 50-150/2.8 IS. Why are there no fast crop-sensor lenses to fill gap between 50 and 70mm? Why doesn't Nikon have a 17-5x/2.8 with IS for the same reason? Weren't they the first camera manufacturer to offer video on their DSLR's? It's not like Nikon has a camcorder division to protect. Why doesn't the Canon 24-70/2.8 have IS either? Why doesn't Tamron's lenses for Canon have the focus and zoom ring turn in the right direction?

They could just pull a Microsoft.

Xbox -> Xbox 360 -> Xbox One

Windows 8 -> Windows 10

Efitol, just let Marketing get drunk and pick a number at random. Or you have a bet with your buddy that numbers don't matter even slightly and consumers will buy whatever with whatever number you put on it.

See also: Fast & Furious, SimCity. Probably others I'm forgetting.