Canon finally introduces Dual pixel AF in a Rebel series T7i and new 77D ??

bumpintheroad wrote in post #18274888
Unless Canon has completely ignored or changed its designation scheme, the 77D is NOT a Rebel. It is purposefully designated to sit between the 70D and 80D, both in terms of capability as well as model number. My question is why? Is there still high demand for the 70D vs the 80D and this represents Canon's way of moving their customers forward?

Canon is marketing the 77D just like the T6s (level above the Rebel), and has the same footprint, with the top LCD, etc. They simply decided to not call this the T7s. Just look at the T6s, and also read the imaging resource preview, the body and ergos are right in line with the T6s with some minor control changes. They have simply decided to change the naming convention of this "high end Rebel".

The 77D is indeed a rebel, and would be either the 770D or 780D in the other parts of the world, had the same prior conventions been used. It is very simple, Canon decided to stop the T#s notation.

https://www.dpreview.c​om …3/canon-announces-eos-77d
http://www.canonwatch.​com …ual-pixel-auto-focus-cw2/
http://www.imaging-resource.com …/canon-77d/canon-77dA.HTM
http://www.provideocoa​lition.com …wo-new-entry-level-dslrs/

Either Way I will not get one. The Rebel Price is ridiculous now. I much rather get an 80D or a refurbed 70D to replace my 60D.

Careful what you think you will do in the future...

I surmise that the 80D is the last of the xxD line, or if there is another, the 90D is the last. The high end Rebel becomes the new mid level consumer APS-C. Cheaper for Canon to build at eventual same price levels as the xxD line.

I hope I am very wrong though.

I think all of the new cameras are confusing as to what niche they are supposed to fill? I dislike the numbering system, I've even met Canon reps who admit it's poorly thought out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Canon fan down to my last strand of DNA. Canon forever! But honestly, I wish they would shake out their models. Have a couple of Rebel models, a couple of midlines and one pro model. Period.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18274953
Canon is marketing the 77D just like the T6s (level above the Rebel), and has the same footprint, with the top LCD, etc. They simply decided to not call this the T7s. Just look at the T6s, and also read the imaging resource preview, the body and ergos are right in line with the T6s with some minor control changes. They have simply decided to change the naming convention of this "high end Rebel".

The 77D is indeed a rebel, and will be either the 770D or 780D in the other parts of the world. It is very simple, Canon decided to stop the T#s notation.

https://www.dpreview.c​om …3/canon-announces-eos-77d
http://www.canonwatch.​com …ual-pixel-auto-focus-cw2/
http://www.imaging-resource.com …/canon-77d/canon-77dA.HTM
http://www.provideocoa​lition.com …wo-new-entry-level-dslrs/

We'll see if it shows-up on the CPS equipment list. The 70D and 80D are, though with 0 points. But at least they qualify for free cleaning and discount repair service.

Edit: Actually, I mispoke. The 70D is 3 points and the 80D is 4 points.

Well the xD line seems to be the pro models (just not 1d pro). That's why there's always mark x models, because the number itself is the identity. The 7D is the flagship crop camera, so it will always be the 7D, not the 8D. The 5D is the swiss army knife, 6D entry FF, 1D is flagship. They all have their special purposes. If they ever made an 8D, it wouldn't be an upgraded 7D, it would be a whole new camera.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18274953
The 77D is indeed a rebel, and will be either the 770D or 780D in the other parts of the world.

No, when it has the top LCD layout, it's the 77D. When not, it's the 800D.

Rainyday wrote in post #18275027
I dislike the numbering system, I've even met Canon reps who admit it's poorly thought out.

If you know everything beforehand, you could most certainly come up with something better.
When they started, it was the Canonflex, later abbreviated with an F (for Flex), hence the F-series was born. Then came the A-series and the T-series.
When they started out the EOS range, the first was the 620 and 650, with 620 being a bit more expensive.
After a while, they got a system, and when I got my first EOS camera (the EOS 10), there was EOS 1, EOS 10, EOS 100 and EOS 1000. The lower the number, the better.
Then we had EOS 1N, EOS 30, EOS 300 and EOS 3000, still the same logic, just evolved.
But after that, the confusion has thickened. Remember that the first digitals which could use EF lenses frequently had names reflecting the resolution, since that was THE factor to consider at that time.

Now they could go IKEA style. Canon EOS Vindås, Hygge, Örebro, Nordanvind, Dynghög...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18274953
Canon is marketing the 77D just like the T6s (level above the Rebel), and has the same footprint, with the top LCD, etc. They simply decided to not call this the T7s. Just look at the T6s, and also read the imaging resource preview, the body and ergos are right in line with the T6s with some minor control changes. They have simply decided to change the naming convention of this "high end Rebel".

The 77D is indeed a rebel, and would be either the 770D or 780D in the other parts of the world, had the same prior conventions been used. It is very simple, Canon decided to stop the T#s notation.

Yes, some of the press in the past day or so is flawed in information. One source said the 77D was a T6i in a slightly larger body, aimed to be 'more professional'-like. Yet taking dimensional data from Canon, we find it is clearly 'just a T7i hiding behind another nameplate' in terms of outward cosmetics (and ignoring functional differences)

Note that I didn't wildcard the last character. The T#s notation appears to be dead. Yes, they still have the T#i notation, and I didn't refer to that moniker.

I don't think the T6s went over as well as they hoped, I didn't even know about it.

Also, the 77D and T7i share the same battery as the T6s and T6i.

See how confusing this all is. T6, T6i, T6s, T7i, 77D, etc. all for different types of rebels.

We have 4 Rebel lines (# means numeric digit):

Infant-me (SL1/100D, hopefully SL2 soon)
Toddler-me (T#, ###0D)
Teenager-me (T#i, ##0D)
Adult-me (T#s, ##0D, now ##D?)

For the rest of the APS-C line, we have College-me (80D) and PhD-me (7DII). I think College-me might be on its way to Retired-me, else they have to handle the collision with Infant-me.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18275437
Note that I didn't wildcard the last character. The T#s notation appears to be dead. Yes, they still have the T#i notation, and I didn't refer to that moniker.

I don't think the T6s went over as well as they hoped, I didn't even know about it.

Also, the 77D and T7i share the same battery as the T6s and T6i.

See how confusing this all is. T6, T6i, T6s, T7i, 77D, etc. all for different types of rebels.

We have 4 Rebel lines:

Infant-me
Toddler-me
Teenager-me
Grownup-me

For the rest of the APS-C line, we have College-me and PHd-me in the 80D and 7DII.

So for those of us who have not bothered to differentiate the subtleties of Canon positioning, what are fundament highpoint differences that contrast the
T6 vs. T6i vs. T6s
Frankly, in consumer references to model names, sloppy punctuation for plural too easily mixes up T6s (the model) and T6's (plural) and I had not noticed there were THREE existing T6 variants vs. TWO new T7 variants. And we throw the 77D into the fray...will Canon later intro a T7s, too?

Somebody at Canon Marketing is really suffering from cranio-rectal inversion!

I didn't know about the T6s either until this release, and DPReview and others stated how the 77D is the replacement to the T6s. It is just an issue to the US market though, since I believe that T moniker is really a numeric indicator everywhere else.

In any case, I think this just confuses the general population to see these slightly different variants on the shelves. How the heck is a regular everyday person that just wants to step up their photography supposed to know what to buy? That clerk in Best Buy certainly isn't going to help. Just look at the confusion on the photography forums, and press.... That alone makes this a marketing fiasco for Canon, if we are confused, then those just getting into this hobby aren't going to have any patience for this.

I'd rather have an 80d than a 77d. The xxd line is built better. Although, I think the older xxd models are built even better than the new xxd models. Hold a 50d, 60d next to a 70d or 80d.

Frodge wrote in post #18275457
I'd rather have an 80d than a 77d. The xxd line is built better.

But they are both xxD... This means the 77D build is equal to the 80D then, right?

apersson850 wrote in post #18274161
The 77D is a replacement for the 70D.
Technically, it's the same as the 800D. But you see the difference in ergonomics. The 77D has a top LCD, for example. The 800D doesn't.

Actually, the 77D is a direct replacement for the t6s, which was the more prosumer oriented version of the t6i. Why they're giving it a two digit designation is beyond me unless they're doing a realignment of their model offerings. They may be trying to raise it out of the entry level Rebel line as a compact version of their more full featured semi pro xxD bodies.