Canon finally introduces Dual pixel AF in a Rebel series T7i and new 77D ??

RodneyCyr wrote in post #18293582
On the Canon website I compared the specs for the 77D with those for the 80D, I found that:

The 77D has a maximum shutter speed of 1/4000 vs 1/8000 for the 80D. I find 1/8000 occasionally useful when shooting an f/1.4 lens in daylight.
The 77D has a slightly smaller sensor, 22.3x14.9 vs 22.5x15.0mm for the 80D. This is probably not an important difference.
The 77D has lower viewfinder magnification, 0.82x with a 50mm lens vs 0.95x for the 80D. To me this is moderately important.
The 77D has slightly lower viewfinder coverage, 95% vs 100% for the 80D (according to imagesource.com.)
The 77D has expanded ISO to 51200, vs 25600 for the 80D, (according to imagesource.com - I could not find anything about this on the Canon website.)

The only things that would tempt me to buy the 77D instead of the 80D are the higher ISO (if this is true) and the lower price. But I would find the control layout difficult when switching back and forth from the 70D to the 77D. I don't think I will buying either one soon, but if I do, it will probably be the 80D.

Considering the 77D is a reduced capability Rebel (successor to the T6s vs the T6i), it is not surprising they have reduced capabilities for this model. The reduced shutter speed (ala the 6D) can be frustrating if you like to shoot really fast primes during the day. You shouldn't use ISO as a criteria of which to buy, but rather the other attributes and costs as the deciding factors. Undoubtedly there will be virtually no difference in ISO performance compared to the 80D, if there is, I will be very surprised.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18293594
Considering the 77D is a Rebel, it is not surprising they have reduced capabilities for this model. The reduced shutter speed (ala the 6D) can be frustrating if you like to shoot really fast primes during the day.

I fully agree regarding 1/4000 vs 1/8000.

Sometimes when I run and gun I just appreciate one less thing to worry about. I do hit fast shutter speeds hitting the 1/6000 range with primes even when shooting AV with auto iso.

The 80d is on the cusp of "rebelish" body size. The 7dmk2 is more professional "feeling".

At the end of the day as long as I get great IQ I'll grab whatever works with my workflow

Using full frame, 80d and fuji x-T2 I'm seriously lovin' both FF and crop!! The 77D isn't in my wish list but I bet it'd be great for many users.

AlanU wrote in post #18293601
I fully agree regarding 1/4000 vs 1/8000.

Sometimes when I run and gun I just appreciate one less thing to worry about. I do hit fast shutter speeds hitting the 1/6000 range with primes even when shooting AV with auto iso.

The 80d is on the cusp of "rebelish" body size. The 7dmk2 is more professional "feeling".

At the end of the day as long as I get great IQ I'll grab whatever works with my workflow

Using full frame, 80d and fuji x-T2 I'm seriously lovin' both FF and crop!! The 77D isn't in my wish list but I bet it'd be great for many users.

I wouldn't say the 80D is on the cusp of rebel size. In fact in the hand it feels much closer in size to a 7D2 than to a rebel.

RodneyCyr wrote in post #18293582
The 77D has slightly lower viewfinder coverage, 95% vs 100% for the 80D (according to imagesource.com.)

The 80D also has a pentaprism instead of a pentamirror, which I understand makes the VF brighter.

Doesn't the 80D also have AFMA, while the 77D doesn't?

LonelyBoy wrote in post #18293635
The 80D also has a pentaprism instead of a pentamirror, which I understand makes the VF brighter.

Doesn't the 80D also have AFMA, while the 77D doesn't?

The 80D definitely does. Historically, the Rebels have not, which I believe was one of the significant differentiators between the more entry level Rebel bodies and prosumer and professional XXD and XD bodies.

mwsilver wrote in post #18293627
I wouldn't say the 80D is on the cusp of rebel size. In fact in the hand it feels much closer in size to a 7D2 than to a rebel.

I don't have large hands but my 5d3 feels much larger than my 80D. 80D seems a tad larger than a panny gh3/gh4. Very nice light combo

AlanU wrote in post #18293935
I don't have large hands but my 5d3 feels much larger than my 80D. 80D seems a tad larger than a panny gh3/gh4. Very nice light combo

The 5D3 will feel much larger than the 80D. It's also slightly larger than the 7D2 and feels it in the hand. My point was that the 80D feels significantly larger in the hand than a rebel and feels a bit smaller, but closer to the size of a 7D2. I realize all this is somewhat subjective. I own two Rebels, a 7D2 and a 60D which is similar to the 80D in size. The 80D feels very slightly larger to me.

So T71 versus 77D, they took mode dial and put it on the left and gave you a $150 top display? The specs are like exactly the same on B&H's descriptions. Is that it?

The T7i is a successor to the T6i, and the 77D is the successor to the T6s.

So whatever the differences were between the i and s versions for the T6, they are carried forward, but with a name change (and obviously more current features).

FEChariot wrote in post #18299834
So T71 versus 77D, they took mode dial and put it on the left and gave you a $150 top display? The specs are like exactly the same on B&H's descriptions. Is that it?

The 77D also has an AF On button and what appears to possibly be a rear wheel around the traditional Rebel circular push button section. Other than that, and the top LCD of course, I'm not sure what else differentiates the two cameras,. However, those three features alone would make handling more similar to an 80D than to traditional Rebels.