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As much as I love the 7D2 I am getting rid of it.

 
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Feb 19, 2017 19:51 |  #31

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It's actually cheaper with the 18-55 STM, because they discount that $230 for some reason. Picked one up myself, because a 70-200/2.8L ISii this weekend wasn't enough.

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Feb 20, 2017 09:23 |  #32

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...this comment comes from a person who in 1990 had ABANDONED shooting 135 format film for medium format film cameras entirely, and the only reason to ever pull out 135 format was for its ultrafast f/stop lenses.

Your scenario is virtually identical to my experience. Went all in with the Bronica ETRSi system (which I still own) around 1988/1989 and sold all my Canon equipment (A-1's & FD lenses). But bought some Contax rangefinders when the kids came along. I was a slow/late convert to digital.

I'm definitely moving through a lot more equipment at a faster pace than during those years.

The equipment these days are so much more versatile/flexible/pow​erful and in so many more hands that it boggles my mind sometimes. Manufacturers must have sold so few cameras back in the film era in comparison. The emphasis was on film technology back then. Since digital equipment is both camera and "film", it makes sense that we all tend to go through bodies faster. Whatever the cost of the digital bodies, I'm always reminded how much film would have cost me over the life of an analog body. Good times ahead! :)


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Feb 20, 2017 10:01 |  #33

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Today I shot some images from 6400 to 12800, and honestly the 5D4 kills this camera at these ISOs. Plus the images are just better at any ISO on the 5d4. Most people would not even notice, but I do.
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The lesson here is for me never to try the 1dx :-)

That is all.

I got rid of my 7D2 when I got a 1DX2. I've added a 5D4. The 5D4 and 1DX2 are pretty close to each other in IQ. Both are better than the 7D2 (as you've seen). I usually carry and use both bodies. But if I take just one body, it's the 1DX2.


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Feb 20, 2017 10:45 |  #34

I quite recently had a 7D2 or 80D purchasing dilemma. Not too much difference in price online in the UK.

I was never totally happy with my 50D's high ISO noise levels and trying to recover shadow detail was frustrating at times.

After a week with a 7D2 and a weekend with the 80D I ordered an 80D. It's not just the high ISO noise it's how much better the 80D is at recovering detail in highlights or shadows.
The new sensors higher dynamic range is really noticeable. I also liked the touch and drag to focus in Video.

The 7D2 will offer some wildlife and sports shooters the edge with it's faster frame rate and auto focus tracking but the 80D has a noticeably superior sensor.

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Feb 20, 2017 14:25 |  #35

Canon Rumors' newsletter (but not the web site, so far) last week indicated that the 7D Mk III was probably going to be released next year, which would be a much shorter interval than between the original and the Mk II. I expect a major sensor upgrade, given where it falls in today's model line. Of course, it is just a rumor, and it wasn't given their normal rating in the newsletter, but we will see...


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Feb 20, 2017 14:33 |  #36

logiclee wrote in post #18279335 (external link)
I quite recently had a 7D2 or 80D purchasing dilemma. Not too much difference in price online in the UK.

I was never totally happy with my 50D's high ISO noise levels and trying to recover shadow detail was frustrating at times.

After a week with a 7D2 and a weekend with the 80D I ordered an 80D. It's not just the high ISO noise it's how much better the 80D is at recovering detail in highlights or shadows.
The new sensors higher dynamic range is really noticeable. I also liked the touch and drag to focus in Video.

The 7D2 will offer some wildlife and sports shooters the edge with it's faster frame rate and auto focus tracking but the 80D has a noticeably superior sensor.

Lee

Your description is spot on!!

I think Canon has finally made something special for Soccer mom/dads to even professionals. Only thing I will seriously complain about is lack of second memory card slot. Otherwise it's almost like a slightly detuned 5dmk4 with lesser performing crop sensor. The 80D at least has a killer swivel screen for more versatility. The AF is more than enough for documenting most casual shooters into sports events. Overall general use from video to high quality stills I still feel the 80d more universal than an aging 7dmk2.


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Feb 20, 2017 14:42 |  #37

80D vs 7D2... I don't see much of a difference at 6400, and really don't think you can after some pp.
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6d vs 7d2, I see a difference, but not enough to make me want to trade out, when I need the af, FPS, anti flicker and dual card slots, etc..

Now, 5D IV looks like a solid upgrade, I can only hope they will improve the 7D3 sensor to that level, and then I'd go buy it.

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Feb 20, 2017 14:58 |  #38

[QUOTE=ksbal;18279652]​80D vs 7D2... I don't see much of a difference at 6400, and really don't think you can after some pp.
80D vs 7DII (external link)


Although there isn't a big difference in Noise between the 7D2 and 80D when viewing the same image at the same ISO the big difference comes when you try and recover detail in the shadows or highlights and then the 80D is a clear winner.

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Feb 20, 2017 15:09 |  #39

pknight wrote in post #18279633 (external link)
Canon Rumors' newsletter (but not the web site, so far) last week indicated that the 7D Mk III was probably going to be released next year, which would be a much shorter interval than between the original and the Mk II. I expect a major sensor upgrade, given where it falls in today's model line. Of course, it is just a rumor, and it wasn't given their normal rating in the newsletter, but we will see...

Makes sense, since it's a rough spot on the lineup being more expensive than the 80D with a lesser sensor. It doesn't have to be as big a jump as from the first to the II. They could also do some stuff like add the BT receiver for the new remote.


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Feb 20, 2017 17:34 as a reply to  @ logiclee's post |  #40

Although there isn't a big difference in Noise between the 7D2 and 80D when viewing the same image at the same ISO the big difference comes when you try and recover detail in the shadows or highlights and then the 80D is a clear winner.

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While I agree with the statement, from what I know of the 80D sensor, I generally get close enough in exposure I don't have to worry about recovery much. Auto ISO works exceptionally well for me in manual on my 7DII. So I'm not going to switch for highlight/shadow recovery of the 80D when it isn't applying to me in my shooting situations. Other 7DII features make this the best camera for me - at this time :)


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Feb 20, 2017 19:42 |  #41

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80D vs 7D2... I don't see much of a difference at 6400, and really don't think you can after some pp.
80D vs 7DII (external link)


Although there isn't a big difference in Noise between the 7D2 and 80D when viewing the same image at the same ISO the big difference comes when you try and recover detail in the shadows or highlights and then the 80D is a clear winner.

Lee


I just had a long winded conversation with a good friend of mine that is looking for a camera. I had a heck of a time figuring out what he needs and to meet his expectations in a "good/great" camera.

It came down to deciding on a camera and budget.

Canon needs a Nikon D500 equivalent. The 7dmk2 simply IMO is still overpriced for the IQ and performance and features. The 80D is "almost" there but at a much more affordable price with newer sensor tech. Canon needs to bring out a 7dmk3 NOW!!

If you require sports/wildlife application the 7dmk2 crop body is better suited for the Canon world. I ended up recommending the 80D to my friend as he does not require maximum high speed AF for wildlife/professional sports.

What he needed was the capabilities for documenting dance competitions, video with touch screen focus pull capabilities, high dynamic range, fast AF with reasonable fps.

No doubt everyone has different requirements for gear. My Fuji X-T2 is what I purchased instead of a 7dmk2. IMO my fuji destroys a 7dmk2 for my application with cleaner high iso images :)

I think a high percentage of 7dmk2 users have upgraded to the 5dkm4.


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Feb 20, 2017 21:10 |  #42

The recovery capabilities of the 80D occurs at the 100-400 ISO levels, after that, there is nothing more over the other APS-Cs as I understand it. The 80D is a tad worse at the higher ISO. So you now have choices of whether you need low ISO high DR, or other capabilities that the 7D2 offers.


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Feb 21, 2017 09:00 |  #43

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The recovery capabilities of the 80D occurs at the 100-400 ISO levels, after that, there is nothing more over the other APS-Cs as I understand it. The 80D is a tad worse at the higher ISO. So you now have choices of whether you need low ISO high DR, or other capabilities that the 7D2 offers.


Not the end all be all but it appears 7dmk2 has an ever so slight difference in high iso vs 80D.

https://www.dpreview.c​om …176&y=0.1421814​3536295352 (external link)

7dmk2 is $1700 CDN vs 80D's price of $1400 and 5dmk4's price tag of $4500.

I certainly hope the 5dmk4 is the best out of the group of cameras as far as high iso is concerned :)


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Feb 21, 2017 09:40 |  #44

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18280014 (external link)
The recovery capabilities of the 80D occurs at the 100-400 ISO levels, after that, there is nothing more over the other APS-Cs as I understand it. The 80D is a tad worse at the higher ISO. So you now have choices of whether you need low ISO high DR, or other capabilities that the 7D2 offers.

And this is why I am constantly puzzled by those whose only criterion is pixel-peeping-level IQ. The 80D may be a wonderful camera, but it is no replacement for a 7DII for those who need what a 7DII offers.


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Feb 21, 2017 09:54 |  #45

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The 80D may be a wonderful camera, but it is no replacement for a 7DII for those who need what a 7DII offers.

Correct, if you need the faster burst speed and AF system of the 7D2 for sports and wildlife then the 80D will not do.

If 7fps and the 45point AF is sufficient for your shooting then the 80D offers more functionality (Especially for video) and a better sensor,

The extra money for the 7D2 will also get you dual card slot and better weather sealing.

You buy whatever suits your needs. For some the 80D will be the better camera even if it was the same price, but for others the 7d2.

Choice is good and I'm sure the 7D3 will end the argument.

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