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Mar 06, 2017 01:41 |  #1

I found this discarded panel for overhead office fluorescents, and decided it would make a fine diffuser. At $0.00, the price was right. :) Dimensions are 2'x4', and the missing chunk doesn't cause any trouble. The surface is stippled to disperse light (think microlenses) with a transmission loss of 1 stop. There is no shift in color temp. With and without the panel:

IMAGE: http://patternassociates.com/rico/fm/overhead100.gif

Test setup was one light and a parabolic dish (Profoto NarrowBeam) to the right, and a silver reflector for side fill on the left. I normalized the key on removing the panel but did not rebalance the fill ratio, so that frame has deeper shadows. Point-source lighting has limited effect on matte surfaces (compare tire rubber and markings), but shiny surfaces need a large light source to define their contours adequately.

IMAGE: http://patternassociates.com/rico/fm/overhead102.jpg

I imagine this plastic sheeting is available in bulk quantity to the construction trade for pennies per square foot. Unlike plastic film like that from Rosco, this stuff is relatively rigid, and can be suspended in large sections with a gaffer grip, or taped onto a gel frame. Now scanning Home Depot, and the Net...

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Mar 07, 2017 17:50 |  #2

I found the 2'x4' overhead panel at Home Depot, and it's about $1/sqft: the pattern is called "prismatic". I expect other patterns to be available on the market. I also looked at glass shower doors which are more expensive and heavy. The best option for large-scale diffusion might be acrylic sheets with frosted finish, but those treatments have a limited selection in sizes and are more expensive than optically clear finishes. Linear dimension ranges up to 8' high—too big even for me! For something around 4' linear, cost effective, robust, and with choice of diffusion, I think a (clear) acrylic sheet with a window film is the best route. Home Depot has a broad selection of film patterns that go from plain frost to geometric to full color landscapes.

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    Mar 07, 2017 18:42 |  #3

    A few years ago I replaced the ballasts in a bunch of basment fluorescent lights and considered trying the panels as diffusers, but never got around to it.

    They clearly work.

    The fact that they are rigid might be a pain in the neck for those of us on the go. I am a big fan of panel material as a replacement for regular softboxes. Usually I just grab some sheer material from the fabric store. Get a bit of a cast with some of it but nothing that isn't easily overcome in most situations. Plus it rolls up nicely.

    This is 52" by 72",I think. Didn't pay more than 10 bucks.

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    Mar 07, 2017 18:51 |  #4

    Had to look up Sante derailleurs, lol. I ride, not much any more but I've never been a gear head.

    First hit: http://www.disraeligea​rs.co.uk …derailleur_(500​1_LS).html (external link)

    Nice product photography. :D


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    Mar 07, 2017 18:58 |  #5
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    That's a lot of icons on your desktop, He's Gone. :eek:  :p


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    Mar 07, 2017 19:28 as a reply to  @ Alveric's post |  #6

    Get the same thing from my kids.

    Bunch of probably worthless screen grabs and flac to MP3s. lol

    Edit: now everyone should be happy. :p

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    Mar 07, 2017 20:41 as a reply to  @ Left Handed Brisket's post |  #7

    Rollable fabric is another fine idea. Main goal is to think outside the confines of the ubiquitous (and overpriced) softbox.


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    Mar 07, 2017 21:04 |  #8
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    Ripstop nylon and PVC tubing!


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    Mar 07, 2017 22:29 |  #9

    RICO TUDOR, great ingenuity & images as always!
    Thank you.


    Another possible option, granted a bit more costly than free (but which has features of: portability & flexibility)…

    Savage TRANSLUM-
    http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …&srtclk=sort&Nt​t=translum (external link)
    Mark Wallace set-up demos: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=gPmiI2K_y9I (external link) (5:50 minute product video)
    Editing seamless backgrounds: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=MdMX5iEwjJU (external link) (10:08 minute video)

    Hey while you are in the hardware store, you may want to pick up some screen-door mesh, like Mark Wallace did.
    Silver Screen Magic - Exploring Photography with Mark Wallace/[Adorama TV]:
    https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=gn1rnKk1fHw (external link) (6:34 minute video)


    Just one view…


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    Re: Bicycles…
    -nice bicycle you have there.
    -I’ve been eyeing to purchase a folding electric bike (aka e-bike) to put in the trunk of my sports car, so can drive via car to a location or to an area within a city, park, then unfold this for riding about (with a camera of course!).
    Example of an electric bike’s application (in city or dense areas):
    https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=62PQpLM6JDk (external link) (1:49 minute video)

    In particular this nifty electric ENZO E-BIKE (I think it’s assembled in Florida, USA)-
    ENZO e-bike Review: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=m6C7BtuFA84 (external link) (11:11 minute video)
    ENZO e-bike: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=MIYR72ICzwU (external link) (2:52 minute video)

    e-bike - A concept that is way more popular in Europe and just building in popularity in North America.
    Revolution of the Electric Bicycle (ebike in Europe)-
    BBC TV (news): https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=nDjTyn-WY7k (external link) (4:36 minute video)
    BBC TV (show): https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=nuoCo6d3LoI (external link) (5:59 minute video)

    Comparison of: Electric bicycle (ebike) VS conventional bicycle-
    https://www.youtube.co​m …?v=P4T31tFhH0Y#​t=2.421365 (external link) (3:45 minute video)

    As cities become more congested & crowded, this is a silent revolution which is just starting to take place in North America; one which has been in & increasing in many European cities for the last five or so years (particularly since approximately 2008 when battery technology made significant advances).


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    Mar 08, 2017 00:20 |  #10

    Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18294756 (external link)
    Had to look up Sante derailleurs, lol. I ride, not much any more but I've never been a gear head.

    Good link: I should have known there was a web site for relic derailleurs. :) The site states 1987 for Sante but mine was purchased in 1982. Running gear comes and goes, but the really special element of this bike (my daily driver) is the frame. French manufactured by aluminum specialist Vitus, the tubes are glued—an industry first, and not to be seen again. This is a touring frame that is comfortable and low weight. The "product pic" reminds me that a complete teardown is overdue, including the bottom bracket. :)


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    Mar 08, 2017 02:06 as a reply to  @ happy2010's post |  #11

    Electric bikes are also big in China.

    They take the battery off and carry it to their apartment at night to charge it (and keep it safe from thieves).


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    Mar 08, 2017 14:26 |  #12

    Interesting, thanks. I didn’t know that about China (I’ve never been there).


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    Mar 09, 2017 00:03 |  #13

    Eh, executive function be damned.

    Bad words in the video. Under my thumb and ring of fire are the expected covers.

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    Mar 12, 2017 07:01 |  #14

    Here's a catchlight you don't see every day. :)

    IMAGE: http://patternassociates.com/rico/nikon/misc/d3x702004.jpg
    $0 panel is to the left with Profoto NarrowBeam (parabolic dish) shooting from behind. Speedlight is shooting from the right with slight diffusion. White and silver bounce panels are also on the right.

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    Apr 02, 2017 16:14 |  #15

    Getting back to the main subject of the OP. I used those prismatic panels on my 16" parabolic reflectors with barn doors for over 30 yrs. They give an excellent light pattern - soft but directional. I highly recommend them.


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