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Oct 03, 2017 10:30 |  #91

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If you switch, will it greatly improve your skills ? Then go ahead...

I think it's a mistake to imply or suggest that a switch from one platform to another will do NOTHING for one's growth as a photographer,... especially when the move is being considered by a beginner or groomed enthusiast, or anything in between. Growth is a function of experimentation and discovery, and few thing help to spur experimentation and discovery more than working thru new gear after a platform switch. I found myself taking shots with my new Nikon D810 I never thought to even attempt with my Canon. I found myself experimenting and learning new things about light, natural and off camera, I hadn't with the Canon. Shots I thought were tack sharp, I soon discovered were a little on the soft side,... finally understood the drawbacks of OLPFs everyone had been talking about. Shadow blotches I had gotten used to accepting, I soon discovered there was actually more of my image lurking and hidden in those shadows (dynamic range). That discovery led to even more experimentation with ISO, metering and AE compensation/adjustmen​ts. Now, being taught that more information lurked in the shadows than in the clipped speculars began to make even more sense. On and on. Now was this growth nothing more than normal growth,.... probably. Would I have experimented and explored along the same paths if I had upgraded to a 5Diii, or even stuck with my 70D,... possibly. But for me,... the D810 made me want to push.

Now for pros who have been shooting for decades,... well maybe not the case. They did their pushing and exploration long ago!




  
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Oct 03, 2017 10:51 |  #92

What does DR mean for a beginner, a lot.

What difference does it make if I shoot Nikon 5D Mark 3 or 4 vs. Nikon D750 D810 D850?

I'm going to speak in layman terms as much as possible.

With nikon, if you're a beginner or amateur shooting in manual or aperture mode, you probably don't know how to meter really well yet. So you end up delete several files to get a few good ones. Well, you can save more of your files, with nikon.

....meaning you take a look at your images in lightroom. if you have been editing your canon files for a while, you see your underexposed or overexposed images and want to delete them, and work on the good ones.

...if you were to switch to nikon, you would not want to delete all of those "bad" images, b/c you can literally save them by fixing them in LR. All? No. But way more than you can imagine! There is a LOT more ability to fix images with Nikon.

Don't tell me I'm a jerk b/c I shoot Nikon. I'm here b/c I shot Canon for 8 years. 5D 5DII 5DIII 7D. I am keeping it real.

Also for the folks who love the canon colors and skin tones. I think D750 > D810. And D850 > D750, with regard to color/tones.

There is great glass on either side, to don't fret about that. You just need someone to walk you through it.

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Oct 03, 2017 12:17 |  #93

Jotto123 wrote in post #18465088 (external link)
The d750 is a heck of a deal. Better DR than Canon's newest flagship and far cheaper.

DR advantage is only at ISO 100 and maybe 200. Even with older Canons the advantage is gone by 800. The next event I shoot will be shot at minimum 800 but the vast majority will be at 1600-3200. Canon holds the advantage at those sensitivities.

I shot with the D750 for the last year and found it to be a decent camera but noise crept in much faster than with my 6D. I probably said it earlier in this thread, but any modern DSLR is perfectly capable of producing great results. Dollar for dollar they are all about the same, unless, you have a very specific need to fill the vast majority of your shots. Then you might need to look at specifics a little more closely.


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Oct 04, 2017 08:31 |  #94

My biggest objection to my old 20D was lack of dynamic range. In full harsh sunlight, darker areas were black and highlights were blown out. When I got the 40D, the improvement was marked. I seldom thought about trying an HDR for some shots.

The subjects of my photos are not shadows. So lack of detail is not a major concern. With the 7Dii, I don't even think about dynamic range. So I'm kind of nonplussed about the heated discussion about dynamic range differences in camera brands. Sure, it would be nice in a theoretical way if my sensors had the dynamic range of the Sony sensors. But it's not a biggie. I really should stay out of the gear talk forums. We're on two different planets.


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Oct 11, 2017 13:17 |  #95

I've also been thinking about moving to Nikon for the past couple of weeks. I'm at the point now where I want to upgrade from my 5DII, but have been balking at the prices 5DIII and 5DIV. It also doesn't help that I've been looking at DxoMark and seeing how the rankings are being dominated by Nikon, whose cameras are considerably less money. I know there's been a lot of talk about how you may not be able to see the differences in DR, though in my case I have tried it out and do see a noticeable improvement.

The drawbacks? Aside from having to switch over my lenses to Nikon, I'm still hesitant about whether Nikon's lenses match up to the lenses I current have, namely the 24-70 II and the 100L macro. I also tend to hear more about the negatives of Nikon's customer service, and Canon's service has been nothing short of spectacular for me in the 10+ years I've been using it. Finally, I'm not sure I'll even get use to the reverse controls and mounting for the Nikon lenses...

So I'm stuck right now as to what I should do. Honestly I think I'll probably just go with the next great deal that I see, though I'm not sure I'll be able to last until Black Friday. Anyways, I just wanted to ramble a bit to figure out and organize my thoughts. Happy first post to me, 7 years after joining!




  
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Oct 28, 2017 01:35 |  #96

From a 5DMKII to a Nikon D850 ............... so far VERY happy!

Just remember that you need expensive Nikon glass for the D850 (but is that really so?) I'd love to try some of the older G lenses, but living in the bush it makes it harder to try out lens. I envy you guys that have stores with customer oriented return policies!


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Oct 28, 2017 05:44 |  #97

get a Sony use adapter for lenses the new Sony out soon




  
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Oct 28, 2017 06:57 |  #98

fotoworx wrote in post #18482914 (external link)
From a 5DMKII to a Nikon D850 ............... so far VERY happy!

Just remember that you need expensive Nikon glass for the D850 (but is that really so?) I'd love to try some of the older G lenses, but living in the bush it makes it harder to try out lens. I envy you guys that have stores with customer oriented return policies!

Congrats! Nikon has put a list out with the glass they recommend for the D850. My advice, as is a lot of others, is to label that list as marketing and ignore it. The 24-70G is a fine piece of glass,... many believe it is a better piece of glass than the E version, save the absence of stabilization. For that reason, there are some who say it may require higher ISOs and shutter speeds to work well with the D850. For super wide angle, Nikon's 14-24 has long since been outpaced by Tamron's 15-30 f/2.8 SP VC, however, Nikon's latest 70-200 f/2.8E is the best of any 70-200 at the moment. Most who aren't willing or able to deal with the expense of the new Nikon E series lenses, are landing on Tamron G2 glass, especially when it comes to the trinity zooms,... very good glass and IQ. I have the 70-200 G2, and it's fast, accurate, sharp, with good contrast and built well,... I'd say better than my 70-200 VR II. Don't own the Tamron 15-30 or their 24-70 G2.

BTW,... a lot of Nikon shooters are suggesting pairing up glass with some type of stabilization with the D850 because of the high resolution. I plan on waiting until I get a D850 before I decide to sell my 24-70 f/2.8G in favor of Tamron's stabilized 24-70 G2. It serves me well now on the D500 and D810,... maybe I need proof that you absolutely positively need stabilization with the D850. If you're looking a zoom longer than 200, Nikon's 200-500 f/5.6E is said to be better than either Sigma's or Tamron's 150-600.




  
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Oct 28, 2017 13:23 |  #99

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Damn it !!! Why isn't there a popcorn smiley ?!


Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18316873 (external link)
:lol: indeed, some better smileys would be nice.

i believe they have better smileys on the noink forums... :p




  
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Oct 28, 2017 19:13 |  #100

EricJrSax wrote in post #18483003 (external link)
Congrats! Nikon has put a list out with the glass they recommend for the D850. My advice, as is a lot of others, is to label that list as marketing and ignore it. The 24-70G is a fine piece of glass,... many believe it is a better piece of glass than the E version, save the absence of stabilization. For that reason, there are some who say it may require higher ISOs and shutter speeds to work well with the D850. For super wide angle, Nikon's 14-24 has long since been outpaced by Tamron's 15-30 f/2.8 SP VC, however, Nikon's latest 70-200 f/2.8E is the best of any 70-200 at the moment. Most who aren't willing or able to deal with the expense of the new Nikon E series lenses, are landing on Tamron G2 glass, especially when it comes to the trinity zooms,... very good glass and IQ. I have the 70-200 G2, and it's fast, accurate, sharp, with good contrast and built well,... I'd say better than my 70-200 VR II. Don't own the Tamron 15-30 or their 24-70 G2.

BTW,... a lot of Nikon shooters are suggesting pairing up glass with some type of stabilization with the D850 because of the high resolution. I plan on waiting until I get a D850 before I decide to sell my 24-70 f/2.8G in favor of Tamron's stabilized 24-70 G2. It serves me well now on the D500 and D810,... maybe I need proof that you absolutely positively need stabilization with the D850. If you're looking a zoom longer than 200, Nikon's 200-500 f/5.6E is said to be better than either Sigma's or Tamron's 150-600.


Appreciate the reply, thanks!

I have the 70-200 E, I bought it with the D850 and it's a wicked piece of glass. I also got the 200-500mm and am also impressed with that for the price. I need some wide lenses now and a macro lens.

I also bought the 50G 1.4 I can't rave about it.....not yet anyway.

Thanks again.


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Oct 29, 2017 13:47 |  #101

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Appreciate the reply, thanks!

I have the 70-200 E, I bought it with the D850 and it's a wicked piece of glass. I also got the 200-500mm and am also impressed with that for the price. I need some wide lenses now and a macro lens.

I also bought the 50G 1.4 I can't rave about it.....not yet anyway.

Thanks again.

Yeah,... a wicked setup too. D850+70-200E,... to dream for! Should'a got the 50mm f/1.8,... half the price and better image quality. Less light, but for the usual 50mm tasks, the f/1.8 is a better purchase than the f/1.4. You might wanna take a look at Tamron's 45mm f/1.8 G2,... slightly wider than the 50mm, which is good, AND stabilized. Tamron's 4 stops of VC easily makes up for 1.8 vs 1.4 light difference. The Tamron 45mm I believe is still on sale for only $399,... almost $100 cheaper than that f/1.4 you just picked up!




  
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Oct 30, 2017 10:38 |  #102

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I've also been thinking about moving to Nikon for the past couple of weeks. I'm at the point now where I want to upgrade from my 5DII, but have been balking at the prices 5DIII and 5DIV. It also doesn't help that I've been looking at DxoMark and seeing how the rankings are being dominated by Nikon, whose cameras are considerably less money.

Refurbished prices help how it feels looking.

Also, I realized that DXOMARK rank can lead to a calamity purchase. Let me share an example. I noticed the new Hasselblad X1D-50c and thought "wow, that would be cool to own". Later I find it's DXOMARK rating is near the top of the food chain.

But as reality pulled back a veil. I noticed that the portrait color depth for the Hasselblad was barely different the Canon 5DS, and that may be the part I care about most. Next, although existing lenses can be adapted, the new X series lenses made to match it are all F-Stop f/3.2 or f/3.5 .... that puts the Hasselblad X1D-50c up to 3 stops away from Canon or Nikon photographers using their best-suited lenses with f/2.8 ... f/2 or even f/1.2 ... the difference is so big, it's like stacking 2x and 1.4x teleconverters together on a lens.

So the Hasselblad X1D-50c, it's ranking, and it's lens reality, emphasized the importance of a brand's "ecosytem" or "entourage" of gear. And it seems Nikon and Canon are two of the finest choices in that regard. Customer service can tip the scale too.

As good as the Hasselblad sounded just looking at pretty photos, it was apparent I could own both Canon and Nikon and a pro lens for each, for the cost of that new mirrorless.


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Oct 31, 2017 00:23 |  #103

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18302316 (external link)
Oh yeah, like others have said, I originally chose Canon because of better native glass. I still feel I made the right choice in that respect.

I shoot Sony but have used Canon in professional studios, and agree with this statement 100%. I really can't see any reason to go from Nikon over Canon. Not only do they compete directly with each other, but Canon's lens lineup is established and no other lens manufacturer has been able to offer the diversity and value in any way that's comparable to Canon glass. Canon's not perfect, but they have a serious edge over Nikon.




  
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Nov 01, 2017 15:58 |  #104

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I shoot Sony but have used Canon in professional studios, and agree with this statement 100%. I really can't see any reason to go from Nikon over Canon. Not only do they compete directly with each other, but Canon's lens lineup is established and no other lens manufacturer has been able to offer the diversity and value in any way that's comparable to Canon glass. Canon's not perfect, but they have a serious edge over Nikon.

That edge as shrunk steadily over the years, and is still shrinking at an even faster clip. Canon used to own the pro 70-200 f/2.8 range of glass, they've been eclipsed by Nikon's new 70-200. The day of Canon glass being better and/or more extensively covered is coming to an end. And with the popularity and quality of the offerings from Sigma and Tamron on the rise, Canon can't continue to rely on attracting and keeping folks with their lens lineup,... Nikon either!

Not too long ago, I ran across a ranking of best selling 70-200 f/2.8 glass among working pros,... the Canon f2.8 L II glass is ranked 3rd among all shooters, behind Nikon and Tamron respectively with only Sigma coming in behind Canon. What was interesting was, among Canon shooters only, the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 G2 is now out selling the Canon 70-200 f/2.8L II glass. Can't remember other zoom ranges or prime rankings,... I came across this when I was researching my decision to purchase the new Tamron G2 Nikon mount. Interesting stuff.




  
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Nov 01, 2017 22:16 |  #105

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I shoot Sony but have used Canon in professional studios, and agree with this statement 100%. I really can't see any reason to go from Nikon over Canon. Not only do they compete directly with each other, but Canon's lens lineup is established and no other lens manufacturer has been able to offer the diversity and value in any way that's comparable to Canon glass. Canon's not perfect, but they have a serious edge over Nikon.

Dude. No.


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