7D MkII vs 80D

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18348934
Now I am really confused about which camera is better at f8 autofocusing.

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I'd forgotten that the 80D is center point only, apart from a couple of lenses; so... less compelling in that regard.

It would be interesting to see how the two cameras compare to one another for f/8 focusing on the centre point though.

DGRobles wrote in post #18329679
Motorsports (rallies) and air shows... 16-35 f/2.8, 70-200 f/2.8 and 50mm f/1.8... not the big stuff but starting to build the L-series gear

So in your opinion did your previous 6D meet your needs????

So are you using your 70-200 for an airshow with a full frame??? is that long enough??

At the end of the day when shooting long telephoto I think both camera's will do reasonably well. As long as the camera provides "good enough AF" to capture the image. Sharp "money shots" is what should be on the priority for BIF or fast moving subjects. Noise from both camera's at high iso wont be worlds apart.

Just recently I used my 80D for the first time for an outside Maternity session. It delivered excellent image quality both for my computer monitor and print. I also used my 5dmk3 and it certainly produced cleaner images. However without extreme pixel peeping a client would not be able to easily tell the difference. Currently I cannot afford a $5000 (incld tax) CDN 5dmk4 so I'll need to replace my low mileage 5dmk2 and upgrade to another 5d3.

If you do not require fast locking AF I'd say 6d or 5d3 will produce better IQ compared to an 80D or 7dmk2. If you need fast locking AF or tracking the 5d3 can work for you as long as you have enough "reach" from your current lenses. The 80D or 7dmk2 is somewhat of a "CHEAP" built in 1.6 TC since they are Canon crop sensors. The IQ will be very good with the newer generation Canon crop sensor.

Pick your poison........

For motorsports, I would lean to the 7DII. It really is quite a nice upgrade from the 7DI; and the ability to tweak the AF system to meet your specific needs instead of having 'just' AF is really nice. You can, even, customize your frame rates for each continuous shooting mode. So, you can have 'high speed' continuous set to the full 10fps; but, if something a little slower fits your style better, you can set it to anything slower as well. From there, normal continuous shooting can also be throttled commensurately. They're small-ish things, but they make the body a real nice piece of hardware to use once you have things set to "you".

The biggest selling points for the 80D (DPAF, tilt screen, etc) are great if you're shooting from a tripod/doing video; but, if you're shooting action and long lenses, I cannot envision the draw being there. Having come to the MkII from the Mki before it, and shooting birds/wildlife and occasional airshows I have yet to see any reason to change from the 7D yet.

AlanU wrote in post #18349452
If you do not require fast locking AF I'd say 6d or 5d3 will produce better IQ compared to an 80D or 7dmk2...

One small complication is that the 80D will top all those others for low ISO DR; so I'd argue that a landscape shooter might be better off with the 80D. The difference in image quality when lifting shadows (80D Vs 5D3) was quite surprising.

The 80D has the edge on the FF offerings up to around ISO 318 or so, and actually the 7D2 exceeds the 80D at ISO 800 and above. The nice thing is that the 80D is almost a straight line where the other offerings show what happens at intermediate ISO values, where the DR see-saws depending on push or pull at a native ISO.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18349916
The 80D has the edge on the FF offerings up to around ISO 318 or so, and actually the 7D2 exceeds the 80D at ISO 800 and above. The nice thing is that the 80D is almost a straight line where the other offerings show what happens at intermediate ISO values, where the DR see-saws depending on push or pull at a native ISO.

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I'd assume each camera now has data averaged from multiple bodies, but the initial 80D dataset for the above came from my wife's camera

Like the OP, it is a matter of time before I will be getting another body and like the comparisons made of the 7D II and 80D. I'm leaning toward the 7DII and remarks like Eric made make me feel this body would be my best choice.
So I'm shooting birds, wildlife, high school and college baseball and high school football with a 70D and 120-300 S but the body won't last forever and I would like another body in the next year. FPS, fast AF and high ISO are important to me. There is 400 dollars difference between the 80D and 7D II. My question finally, where is that 400$ difference? Is the build quality and longevity of the 7D II that much better or is it in other options/functions?
I'm probably viewing 10 to 1 images taken by the 7D II vs the 80D in the wildlife and bird sections on the forum and must say I've been impressed by the 7D II results, usually the 100-400 II lens being used.

Grizz1 wrote in post #18354852
Like the OP, it is a matter of time before I will be getting another body and like the comparisons made of the 7D II and 80D. I'm leaning toward the 7DII and remarks like Eric made make me feel this body would be my best choice.
So I'm shooting birds, wildlife, high school and college baseball and high school football with a 70D and 120-300 S but the body won't last forever and I would like another body in the next year. FPS, fast AF and high ISO are important to me. There is 400 dollars difference between the 80D and 7D II. My question finally, where is that 400$ difference? Is the build quality and longevity of the 7D II that much better or is it in other options/functions?
I'm probably viewing 10 to 1 images taken by the 7D II vs the 80D in the wildlife and bird sections on the forum and must say I've been impressed by the 7D II results, usually the 100-400 II lens being used.

The 80D feels like plastic. Much better plastic than the 60D (not used the 70D), but still not on the same level of the single digit Canon models.

The 7DII has a joystick for selecting AF points; which for me is a big plus. The 80D's D-pad is much better than the one on the 60D, but I still find it slightly frustrating.

So, that $400 is getting you something that's built like a tank, bounces the mirror around at 10 fps, and a joystick. The high ISO noise is just a tiny bit better than the 80D too.

Conversely, the 80D has much better low ISO image quality (DR), and will AF with far more points at f/8 with certain lenses. It also has a very good implementation of Dual Pixel AF in Liveview.

The 7d2 build and seals are very good, the weather sealing on the 7d2 is perhaps on particular with the 1d series. The teardown of the camera shows seals in areas not seen before on any non 1d body.

OP,

Is Car rallies and airshow's the only application you'll be shooting with that body??

Curious to see what you eventually purchase. The 80D will stick around for a while since it's somewhat a fresh body in the xxD Canon line. The 7dmk2 was announced Sept 2014 so that body will be sticking around for a while as Canon's snail pace of introducing new bodies will usually have a shelf life of 5yrs or so.

If your hardcore I think the 7Dmk2 will give you more fps but if your the non paid casual shooter I still think the 80D can be a great body for an all round application body. Touchscreen isn't a need to have but when you get use to using one it's a great tool.

If your a casual shooter and dont my mind experimenting I'd suggest trying to rent a fuji X-T2 with body grip and 100-400mm. IMO if you analyze fuji Raw files the IQ is "better" and video tracking is almost as good as my Canon 80D. However video quality wise I still feel the fuji is also better than my 80D. The X-T2 runs along side the Nikon D500. The 7dmk2 or 80D are still not in the same league as the Nikon D500.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=iYf7t9lzslQ

It seems like the 7DII pics I see just look better then the 80D pics in most threads here at POTN. Out of curiosity why do you think that is? Could it be most of the better photographers bought the 7dIi model so better results do to the person? can it be the camera makes a difference , Or do you think it's just me?

I've​ noticed the same thing.

lijoec wrote in post #18356373
It seems like the 7DII pics I see just look better then the 80D pics in most threads here at POTN. Out of curiosity why do you think that is? Could it be most of the better photographers bought the better model so better results do to the person? can it be the camera makes a difference , Or do you think it's just me?

I've used my 5dmk3 and 5dmk2 for most of my events photography with or without flash. I've used my 80D for experimentation purposes and I'll have to say I'm extremely impressed with the 80D. I still feel more comfortable shooting my 80D with bounced flash compared to my Fuji X-T2 with EF-X500. So far I've found the 80D to be more consistent vs my Fuji.

IQ wise I'll have to say it's the photographer's skill is more of the controlling factor. I'd assume a 7dmk2 and 80D is pretty close in IQ if the same photog used both camera's.

I find the 80D IQ to be excellent. I still have preference to full frame but the 80d crop sensor really has impressed me alot.

AlanU wrote in post #18356549
I find the 80D IQ to be excellent. I still have preference to full frame but the 80d crop sensor really has impressed me alot.

Is there anyway you can show us a shot that requires you to lift the shadows in post, a before and after type thing? I wonder if it's more of a 80d needs more post work? Thanks for your reply

lijoec wrote in post #18356644
Is there anyway you can show us a shot that requires you to lift the shadows in post, a before and after type thing? I wonder if it's more of a 80d needs more post work? Thanks for your reply

Hopefully this link will work: https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=17714789

For context, it was a discussion about dynamic range; so it's worth pointing out that the 80D (or 5D4 or 1Dx2) would have done significantly better than the single shot from the 5D3.

Edit: here's another example https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=17749529