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Apr 22, 2017 15:11 as a reply to  @ post 18335016 |  #136

I know what you mean..

my first mirrorless was a Panasonic gx8.. and it had the silent mode and who knows how many fps in silent mode .. while I personally would never use 20fps , a quick 3 or 4 pic burst does come in handy (for me)
but at first I ended up with tons of images that I didn't need to shoot as I would press shutter longer than I needed as I was never sure when it was shooting or if it was shooting

but for those that do need those high fps .. that a9 link seems like no visual lag at all



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Apr 22, 2017 15:23 |  #137

rantercsr wrote in post #18335032 (external link)
I know what you mean..

my first mirrorless was a Panasonic gx8.. and it had the silent mode and who knows how many fps in silent mode .. while I personally would never use 20fps , a quick 3 or 4 pic burst does come in handy (for me)
but at first I ended up with tons of images that I didn't need to shoot as I would press shutter longer than I needed as I was never sure when it was shooting or if it was shooting

but for those that do need those high fps .. that a9 link seems like no visual lag at all

I wish there was an easier way to try out Sony cameras since their Sony store nearby shut down. $7500 to replace the Fujifilm XT2 + 50-140 / supplement the 1DXII + 70-200. Hrm...


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Apr 22, 2017 15:33 |  #138
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idkdc wrote in post #18335047 (external link)
I wish there was an easier way to try out Sony cameras since their Sony store nearby shut down. $7500 to replace the Fujifilm XT2 + 50-140 / supplement the 1DXII + 70-200. Hrm...

with so many samys cameras around, it should be fairly easy

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Apr 22, 2017 15:37 |  #139

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with so many samys cameras around, it should be fairly easy

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I've worked with Samy's before. Don't really like them. They still have several of my basic purchases backordered without warning. I prefer the Canon Learning Center and trade shows in general where the personnel not selling product on hand or earning commission.


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Apr 22, 2017 15:38 |  #140

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I wish there was an easier way to try out Sony cameras since their Sony store nearby shut down. $7500 to replace the Fujifilm XT2 + 50-140 / supplement the 1DXII + 70-200. Hrm...

REPLACE???

Replace is for LOL-Poors. Real GAS addicts add to...not replace.

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REPLACE???

Replace is for LOL-Poors. Real GAS addicts add to...not replace.

:grin:

LOLOL. Peasants with 401K's and living costs.

Although on a serious note, I don't see the need for two separate mirrorless systems to supplement the 1DXII and 70-200. I mean, I'll probably keep the XT2 around for my assistants to use, but I won't personally be using all three systems at once.

I don't have GAS. *Rocks back and forth in a ball*


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Apr 22, 2017 15:48 |  #142

At what point does the mirror in DSLR become obsolete?

Like the dial on the phone... VHS, ..... film.. :eek: gasp....I said it. Film!!! Oh man...that's a flaming word.

With the advances made in EVF, OVF, prism, and mirror may render obsolete.. :p




  
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rxjohn wrote in post #18335079 (external link)
At what point does the mirror in DSLR become obsolete?

Like the dial on the phone... VHS, ..... film.. :eek: gasp....I said it. Film!!! Oh man...that's a flaming word.

With the advances made in EVF, OVF, prism, and mirror may render obsolete.. :p

about 3 years ago ;)


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Apr 22, 2017 15:56 |  #144

I don't know, I was supposed to love the EVF on my mirrorless, but I still do not like it at all.
I am sure some day we will be able to replace analog line of sight with something electronic that is an improvement, but IMHO it's not there yet. It certainly was not there 3 years ago.



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Apr 22, 2017 15:59 |  #145

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I don't know, I was supposed to love the EVF on my mirrorless, but I still do not like it at all.
I am sure some day we will be able to replace analog line of sight with something electronic that is an improvement, but IMHO it's not there yet. It certainly was not there 3 years ago.

I get better timing on my OVF than my EVF. I can recall exactly what split second I took a frame at and not have to chimp afterwards to confirm the moment. With EVF, I find I have to pray and spray a lot more (view moments in retrospect). Is this similar to your experience?


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Apr 22, 2017 16:01 |  #146

Positively. EVF looks like watching a video, not watching what's happening in front of you. And that video is time delayed ;)

Of course mirrorless will always be EVF, the whole point was to make it smaller, more affordable and less complex mechanically by doing away with the mirror, it's in the name! but even SONY sees a place for the old DSLR in the a99. That said, it's clear that the a99 gets very little market share compared to their mirrorless, so I must be in the minority here.



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Apr 22, 2017 16:07 |  #147

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18335099 (external link)
Positively. EVF looks like watching a video, not watching what's happening in front of you. And that video is time delayed ;)

Would you say it's like you're observing life as a T2000? :D


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Apr 22, 2017 16:11 |  #148

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18335099 (external link)
Of course mirrorless will always be EVF, the whole point was to make it smaller, more affordable and less complex mechanically by doing away with the mirror, it's in the name! but even SONY sees a place for the old DSLR in the a99. That said, it's clear that the a99 gets very little market share compared to their mirrorless, so I must be in the minority here.

I think the reason why the a99 doesn't get very much market share because it's not smaller, it's not more affordable, it's not less complex mechanically, and it's not that much different than a traditional DSLR system with all the downsides of a newish system - less lenses, less support, less repairs.


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Apr 22, 2017 17:24 |  #149

rxjohn wrote in post #18335079 (external link)
At what point does the mirror in DSLR become obsolete?

Like the dial on the phone... VHS, ..... film.. :eek: gasp....I said it. Film!!! Oh man...that's a flaming word.

With the advances made in EVF, OVF, prism, and mirror may render obsolete.. :p

We are very, very close, if not already there! Our cameras are so dependent upon batteries now, unlike the SLR of 1960, that battery life issues are only a matter of degree. I used to go 1 year with a meter battery in the film SLR. Now with average use, a day or two. Going on a trek in the Himalaya's...you'd better plan that one very well!

The A9 has gone a very long way to addressing many/most of the things I voiced in the past as making mirrorless a better competitor, I can't think of much more!


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Apr 22, 2017 17:42 |  #150

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18335091 (external link)
I don't know, I was supposed to love the EVF on my mirrorless, but I still do not like it at all.
I am sure some day we will be able to replace analog line of sight with something electronic that is an improvement, but IMHO it's not there yet. It certainly was not there 3 years ago.

Gonna be honest, Jake, I've got a love-hate relationship with EVF.

I love seeing what will essentially be the image I shoot before I shoot it through the viewfinder.

I hate what I suspect the EVF is doing to my eyesight. (read: making it worse)

Admittedly, I've never heard anyone else complain of this before. And to boot, I've found that my physical decline is real now that I'm a little past 40. But it is definitely something I'm worried about.


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