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Apr 21, 2017 18:09 as a reply to  @ post 18334248 |  #91

You do know that the Batis line are AF lenses, right?


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Apr 21, 2017 18:53 as a reply to  @ mickeyb105's post |  #92

Yes. But all those other (of 22) lenses in the link by bpaulette were manual focus; only the two Batis were AF. So the existence of any other WA alternatives would be of less interest to aging eyes.


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Apr 21, 2017 19:22 |  #93
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I agree manual focus sucks... On Canon...

On Sony manual focus is super easy with focus peaking.

And if you really are not capable of manual focusing for some reason, buy techart pro you can auto focus almost any manual only lens from Olympus, leica, Pentax, Zeiss, Minolta or anything you can think of.


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Apr 21, 2017 19:30 |  #94

Wilt wrote in post #18333564 (external link)
But as a Petapixel article has shown, the reduction in body size and weight does not always translate into similar savings of lens size and weight...a number of comparative photos have shown that with comparable FL and aperture lenses, the body+lens combination might actually be a bit deeper than the dSLR equivalent. Same FL for same sensor size = very similar weight and length of lens...thinner body can mean that more barrel length is needed (if the optical design was not specifically for a 'more telephoto' version of the same FL.)

https://petapixel.com …mirrorless-fatal-mistake/ (external link)

A9, 1Dx, D5, no difference in size of body I'm sure :-P

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Sony A9 is great but what is not great is Sony glass. Big and heavy. I know this A9 is not targeting the "light" crowd but for those who travel and/or want light the Fuji system being crop provides wonderful lenses/camera for a total workable system that is light as can be. I'm very envious of my wifes X-T20 at times.

any comparable sony lens will be substantially better when mated on the A7rii.

b18, b25, 28, 35, 50, 55, 85 and while that's not as many as fuji offers, it's a lot of offering at this point, all smallish sizes and reasonably fast lenses.

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How do you figure?

  • 2380g 5D MkIV w/ 70-200 f/2.8
  • 2105g A7RII w/ 70-200 f/2.8

difference = 275g or 9.7oz

Add in another body and more lenses, many folks shoot/travel with multiple bodies. There are many shooting scenarios, not just ones with the 70-200.


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Apr 21, 2017 19:34 |  #95
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Wilt wrote in post #18334206 (external link)
How do you figure?

  • 2380g 5D MkIV w/ 70-200 f/2.8
  • 2105g A7RII w/ 70-200 f/2.8

difference = 275g or 9.7oz

I think you're lost, look up in what thread your in... Is about this new thing called a9, that is direct competition to 1dxii


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Apr 21, 2017 19:39 |  #96

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I agree manual focus sucks... On Canon...

On Sony manual focus is super easy with focus peaking.

And if you really are not capable of manual focusing for some reason, buy techart pro you can auto focus almost any manual only lens from Olympus, leica, Pentax, Zeiss, Minolta or anything you can think of.

Manual focus on Canon is not that difficult with LV and 10x and if your stacking just pick a spot and go in/out mm by mm until you get the DOF you want.


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Apr 21, 2017 19:56 |  #97

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I think you're lost, look up in what thread your in... Is about this new thing called a9, that is direct competition to 1dxii



You cannot get an A9 yet; B&H this very afternoon sent me an email saying I could PRE-ORDER one. I based my figures upon a very respected Sony body, until Sony came out with what they consider to be 'professional' grade camera (A9) to complement the 'semi professional' (Sony's term, not mine!) A7RII

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Apr 21, 2017 20:58 |  #98

nekrosoft13 wrote in post #18334317 (external link)
I think you're lost, look up in what thread your in... Is about this new thing called a9, that is direct competition to 1dxii

I don't really see it as direct competition until Sony switches from Precision Imaging. I would consider it a supplementary tool for a while, not a primary workhorse until Sony can do their repairs in house. Was there an update on that in their announcement?

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Manual focus on Canon is not that difficult with LV and 10x and if your stacking just pick a spot and go in/out mm by mm until you get the DOF you want.

I never really found focus peaking that accurate in cinema cameras, at least at wide apertures. I just prefer to zoom in at 10x.


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Apr 21, 2017 21:59 |  #99

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I don't really see it as direct competition until Sony switches from Precision Imaging. I would consider it a supplementary tool for a while, not a primary workhorse until Sony can do their repairs in house. Was there an update on that in their announcement?

I do believe Sony announced walk-in locations for Sony pros opening in NYC and LA. I have no idea if they will be affiliated with Precision Imaging, or not.


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mickeyb105 wrote in post #18334426 (external link)
I do believe Sony announced walk-in locations for Sony pros opening in NYC and LA. I have no idea if they will be affiliated with Precision Imaging, or not.

I had my Olymplus, my sigma lens fixed by Precision, zero issues, my friend had his Nikon fixed by precision, also zero issues.


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Apr 22, 2017 00:31 |  #101

mickeyb105 wrote in post #18334426 (external link)
I do believe Sony announced walk-in locations for Sony pros opening in NYC and LA. I have no idea if they will be affiliated with Precision Imaging, or not.

Awesome. Hopefully they are in-house.


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Apr 22, 2017 04:53 |  #102

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Just curious - have you ever actually held a gripped A7 series camera? Or did you notice previous posts where several of us point out that we use them very comfortably? I'm confused at some of these outside opinions, based on no personal experience, stated like facts. e.g. "even with the grip the camera is too small for comfortable use"

An A7, no - I have not used one. But I have used a Canon 40D, 50D, 5D, and 1D series bodies. Among these, only the big 1D series feels comfortable in my hands. I have also used smaller cameras such as the Sony H5, and it was even more uncomfortable than the Canon 5D and 50D cameras.

The only thing about the 5D and 50D that is uncomfortable is the size. The Sonys are even smaller than the 5D and the 50D, so it stands to reason that the Sonys would also be uncomfortable to use, due to size. I mean, if I am uncomfortable using smaller cameras I do not have to personally try every single small camera to know that they will be uncomfortable.

When I go to buy clothes, I don't have to try the Medium and Large shirts on to know that they won't fit - I already know that they won't fit me comfortably. It is no different with cameras..........no, it really isn't any different with cameras.

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Smaller and lighter is better for laptops.. processors.. cameras...whatever.

No, not necessarily. Some of us prefer larger sized cameras, all else being equal.

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Apr 22, 2017 05:59 |  #103

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Size preference depends on the items...

Bigger is better for TV... Monitors.. Trucks... House.. burgers..

Smaller and lighter is better for laptops.. processors.. cameras...whatever.

I have a Surface laptop/tablet hybrid that I use when I am on the move. I'm really happy with it. ... I also have a 15" screen Dell laptop that I use as my main computer and take with me any time I know I am going to be in any one place long enough to justify carrying the weight. The bigger machine has a keyboard that is much easier for my fat fingers and thumbs, it's a lot faster for processing images, and it's got a nice 4k screen that makes it much easier to work with, and much more storage. I used to have a big screen monitor to go with it (and I'd like to again).

When it comes to things that humans have to hold in their hands, work with their fingers or look at through their eyes, smaller is obviously not always better.

There's also the argument that the Sony A series cameras have a form factor that is similar to 35mm cameras in the pre-digital age. I liked those cameras very much ... but they had very simple control systems and needed few buttons and dials and they didn't have to be hooked up to big telephoto lenses with fat AF motors and such. Fitting all the controls associated with a modern digital camera into that form factor in an ergonomically acceptable way is going to be a challenge ... especially using big lenses

I'm very glad that the A9 is on the scene to shake the market up a bit but I think high end mirrorless ILCs are probably going to evolve into something bigger because that is what most users are going to find more acceptable.


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Apr 22, 2017 06:59 |  #104

Its so easy to MF on a wide angle lens i would not miss AF.

I have a Samyang 14mm MF prime E mount and its brilliant.

edit: you can add a battery grip to make the a9 bigger. whats bad about that? i rather have the choice to make my camera smaller or bigger rather then being stuck with a massive camera.


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Apr 22, 2017 07:09 |  #105

Of course with a uwa, it is easy to manually focus, your dof is nearly everything you see in the frame. I am pretty sure discussions are around everyday walk-about lenses.


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