Sony A9: Is Canon doomed ?

DaviSto wrote in post #18336152
I think the day Wilt is convinced into buying an A9, Canon is doomed.

we all will be doomed...

hope it will never happen...

DaviSto wrote in post #18336152
I think the day Wilt is convinced into buying an A9, Canon is doomed.

LOL

DaviSto wrote in post #18336152
I think the day Wilt is convinced into buying an A9, Canon is doomed.

The end may be near! That A9 looks to be awfully fine, at least until it is thoroughly reviewed and evaluated.

If it weren't for the fact that even after selling off all my Canon stuff, I would likely have to pay 2x-3x what I already have invested in Canon in order to get most of the same in Sony A9 and lenses. Sometimes outright lust is overcome by simple economics...

$1000 for a normal lens for the A9, vs. $125 for the Canon 50mm STM is a big leap.
And then I'd also have to get new flash gear that is compatible. Not to mention RRS L-brackets,
and new adapters so I could use my Olympus 24mm Perspective Control lens on the Sony
and an eyepiece diopter because my eyes recently passed the range of built in diopter adjustment
and...

If I am seeking a divorce, there is the way I can accelerate that event! So it seems that Canon is destined to last a while longer, until i win a Powerball.

Wilt wrote in post #18335843
My point was simply that one needs to be VERY knowledgeable about each of the lenses in the lineup, to be aware of whether in-camera software corrections are needed in order for the lens performance to be good or not. And then raising the question of software upgrade for the body, when software-corrected lenses are later launched.

Gosh folks, the A9 is very impressive, for what we know to be true. We don't have all the blanks filled in yet, and won't until official launch and some neutral reviewers sing the reality of what we are informed/misinformed about. I am truly impressed with the A9, it is the closest thing to what might get me to made the transition to Sony mirrorless, but I am trying to learn more. The defensiveness toward my questions makes it seem I am belittling it, when I am not!

Wilt software correction of optical imperfections is nothing unique to Sony. There's a reason lens profiles exist in Photoshop. What the in camera profiles do is correct the image in the viewfinder, and correct jpegs if you shoot jpeg. If you shoot raw, you will need to apply the lens profile in post...No different from canon there.

What stands out about Sony's budget lenses is that the distortion is left uncorrected optically, and is meant to be corrected via software...In camera if you shoot jpeg, or in post if you shoot raw. When you're chasing a certain price point and simultaneously trying to keep the size of the lenses down, certain sacrifices need to be made in terms of optical design. This is not the case with higher end lens offerings

I really don't know how to respond to you any more...

What is this magic normal $1000 Sony lens that your comparing to 50 1.8 stm?

Just buy the 50 1.8 it can be bought for $150 on sale... From time to time...

nekrosoft13 wrote in post #18336173
I really don't know how to respond to you any more...

What is this magic normal $1000 Sony lens that your comparing to 50 1.8 stm?

Just buy the 50 1.8 it can be bought for $150 on sale... From time to time...

Sony SEL55F18ZA

Wilt wrote in post #18336164
The end may be near! That A9 looks to be awfully fine, at least until it is thoroughly reviewed and evaluated.

If it weren't for the fact that even after selling off all my Canon stuff, I would likely have to pay 2x-3x what I already have invested in Canon in order to get most of the same in Sony A9 and lenses. Sometimes outright lust is overcome by simple economics...

$1000 for a normal lens for the A9, vs. $125 for the Canon 50mm STM is a big leap.
And then I'd also have to get new flash gear that is compatible. Not to mention RRS L-brackets,
and new adapters so I could use my Olympus 24mm Perspective Control lens on the Sony
and an eyepiece diopter because my eyes recently passed the range of built in diopter adjustment
and...

If I am seeking a divorce, there is the way I can accelerate that event!

Wilt, the Fe 55 is like a super L lens. I owned it and downgraded to the FE 50 which goes on sale for 150. 55 was an optics marvel, just didn't care for the extra 5 and sunstar's.

No one forces you to buy high end lenses. Samyang is making their third AF lens if you want to save some bucks.

Godox works with Canon, Nikon, Sony.....

Oly adapter $20

Pretty sure the camera has diopter

L bracket is $20 for neewer brand, works fine, doesn't twist.

And the camera still costs 2x what I paid for any dSLR.
Fine that Godox is a flash solution, but I don't need to spend that money until I make a switch to Sony, which forces the purchase of flash gear for me.

Wilt wrote in post #18336181
Sony SEL55F18ZA

Yeah lets compare a premium lens to nifty fifty. That logical

Sony nifty fifty can be bought for $150

And I bought my 55 Zeiss for $550.

Wilt wrote in post #18336186
And the camera still costs 2x what I paid for any dSLR.
Fine that Godox is a flash solution, but I don't need to spend that money until I make a switch to Sony, which forces the purchase of flash gear for me.

A9 IS DIRECT COMPETITION OF 1DXII AND D5 .
THAT MAKES IT $2000 CHEAPER THAN COMPETITION. YOUR MATH IS REALLY FLAWED.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18335863
I'd say it was Canon's 5th "attempt" and maybe the first that approached success.

Please don't consider my feelings on this as Canon bashing, but I do often wonder in amazement the way in which Canon has daintily been dipping it's toes into mirrorless.

Clearly you and I can see that the DSRL bubble has burst and that the mirrorless market is the one that is actually growing.

So Canon should not only see this too, but with it's brain power should have predicted it before it started to happen. (at least the DSLR bubble part, I was aware it was going to burst a decade ago)

If any Camera company out there has the capacity to tool up and dominate a market, it is Canon. If they had chosen to, right now they would have the most diverse set of mirrorless bodies and lenses.

Is the M5 finally a decent offering into the market? Absolutely, but with the still to this day very limited lens options, the system is still far behind and frankly Olympus, Fuji, Sony and others still have MUCH more to offer in mirrorless.

Will miirrorless replace DSLR some day? I don't know the answer to that,. personally I can see them coexisting for a long time to come, but one does not need to assume that DSLR will die to be smart enough to hedge your bets, or at least follow the market trend and capitalize on that.

nekrosoft13 wrote in post #18335871
Sorry but Mystik is right, M5 is canons first "serious" attempt at mirrorless... It's At least 5 years to late.

M was a joke, I had I for short while, then I had m3 for short while it was better then m, but still a big joke.

Canon's teasing us. They'll bring their full might to bear when they're ready. They're playing an econ-heavy game, while Sony is agro (aggressive). Nikon may punish Sony for their 2 month announcement like Canon punished Nikon for announcing their were #1 briefly.

http://asia.nikkei.com …-on-Toshiba-unit-purchase
http://www.sonyalpharu​mors.com …nge-rates-reduces-profit/

nekrosoft13 wrote in post #18336190
A9 IS DIRECT COMPETITION OF 1DXII AND D5 .
THAT MAKES IT $2000 CHEAPER THAN COMPETITION. YOUR MATH IS REALLY FLAWED.

Well, I suppose he means it's the first decent DSLR competitor. Hopefully the A7SIII isn't a turd, and they roll out technology to the A7RIII, the FS5II and FS7III.

idkdc wrote in post #18336196
Well, I suppose he means it's the first decent DSLR competitor. Hopefully the A7SIII isn't a turd, and they roll out technology to the A7RIII, the FS5II and FS7III.

i don't agree with that

this is the first mirrorless camera that surpasses the best DSLR...

decent competitions is/was: a6300, a6500, a7rII, a7II, a7sii x-t2, x-t20, gh4, gh5, e-m1, e-m2, e-m5II etc... etc...

idkdc wrote in post #18336191
Canon's teasing us. They'll bring their full might to bear when they're ready. They're playing an econ-heavy game, while Sony is agro (aggressive). Nikon may punish Sony for their 2 month announcement like Canon punished Nikon for announcing their were #1 briefly.

http://asia.nikkei.com …-on-Toshiba-unit-purchase
http://www.sonyalpharu​mors.com …nge-rates-reduces-profit/

last time Canon brought their full might was 5D2, Canon been playing very conservative aka lazy for the last 10+ years.

by the time they bring out something good to compete with todays competition, competition will be 2-3 models ahead of them again.

Wilt wrote in post #18336181
Sony SEL55F18ZA

Wilt, you could not have picked two lenses on the opposite spectrum from each other. The Sony 55 1.8 is one of the best 50ish lenses made and the plastic fantastic is just that...a POS.