Sony A9: Is Canon doomed ?

johnf3f wrote in post #18339402
Now we have a Sony body that looks very promising (well at least from the specs) - but at a grand more than my (new) 1DX was????

?? A grand more ??

embargo is off, you can see the full review of the A9 now

Charlie wrote in post #18340064
embargo is off, you can see the full review of the A9 now

Thanks for posting that, Charlie. I found the Northrup's review to be very balanced and objective, and extremely informative.

I can't help but to relate to one thing that Tony said, "Ergonomically, I still like the big, fat DSLR."

I hope that at some point in the near future, Sony realizes that there are actually a fair number of photographers who prefer a large camera, and that making everything "small and light" is actually not always an advantage.

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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18340095
Thanks for posting that, Charlie. I found the Northrup's review to be very balanced and objective, and extremely informative.

I can't help but to relate to one thing that Tony said, "Ergonomically, I still like the big, fat DSLR."

I hope that at some point in the near future, Sony realizes that there are actually a fair number of photographers who prefer a large camera, and that making everything "small and light" is actually not always an advantage.

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I just want the no blackout, which looks amazing.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” - Mark Twain

If this is old news or has been posted here before, my apologies:
https://petapixel.com …mirrorless-fatal-mistake/
In the above article the author makes some good points and a few might be exagerated to fortify his POV, IMO. Overall, he makes a fairly compelling case however.

Though I have been very interested to read about FF Mirrorless, I have long been skeptical about Sony. With the exception of a Walkman (back in the stone ages) and a Trinitron XBR TV (middle ages) every Sony product I've bought was pretty much a piece of junk. I'm also aware of their history of trying to reinvent the wheel and lock up a market. http://www.obsoletemed​ia.org/lists/sony/ and I don't glom on so easy. Sony seems to like to gamble, in the hopes of hitting it big. I'm not much of a gambler myself.

Funny thing, the more I read about Sony and Nikon and Canon, the more I'm attracted to Fuji.

banding still present.

af looks decent in video, odd omission of 4k 60p, prob has to do with lack of xqd. grip is too small with gmaster lenses for medium sized hands.

idkdc wrote in post #18340191



banding still present.

af looks decent in video, odd omission of 4k 60p, prob has to do with lack of xqd. grip is too small with gmaster lenses for medium sized hands.

it's too bad, he didnt list the shutter speed, since the banding is dependent on shutter speed. One of the workarounds with banding has been to shoot at different shutter speeds, and you just have to test this before you commit to shooting for the night. From what I remember, 1/80, 1/125 and 1/160 were ok? it's been a few months since I had to figure out, but there was a work around for the a7rii

Charlie wrote in post #18340233
it's too bad, he didnt list the shutter speed, since the banding is dependent on shutter speed. One of the workarounds with banding has been to shoot at different shutter speeds, and you just have to test this before you commit to shooting for the night. From what I remember, 1/80, 1/125 and 1/160 were ok? it's been a few months since I had to figure out, but there was a work around for the a7rii

Those workaround shutter speeds are not really good options for stage performances. Interesting to know. Thank you for taking the time to share with me that information.

The buffer download speed to SD is a bummer.

idkdc wrote in post #18340191


af looks decent in video, odd omission of 4k 60p, prob has to do with lack of xqd.

Very high quality H.264 4k@60 requires about 200 Mbps (25 MB/sec). Therefore the issue must be either encoder ASIC performance or thermal.

corndog cabernet wrote in post #18340165
“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” - Mark Twain

If this is old news or has been posted here before, my apologies:
https://petapixel.com …mirrorless-fatal-mistake/
In the above article the author makes some good points and a few might be exagerated to fortify his POV, IMO. Overall, he makes a fairly compelling case however.

Though I have been very interested to read about FF Mirrorless, I have long been skeptical about Sony. With the exception of a Walkman (back in the stone ages) and a Trinitron XBR TV (middle ages) every Sony product I've bought was pretty much a piece of junk. I'm also aware of their history of trying to reinvent the wheel and lock up a market. http://www.obsoletemed​ia.org/lists/sony/ and I don't glom on so easy. Sony seems to like to gamble, in the hopes of hitting it big. I'm not much of a gambler myself.

Funny thing, the more I read about Sony and Nikon and Canon, the more I'm attracted to Fuji.

I feel the same about Sony. I'm really considering Leica again; Fuji is a crop.

I thought I could salvage my Zeiss glass investment with Sony, but the size of the kit is still the size of the glass.

CheshireCat wrote in post #18340273
Very high quality H.264 4k@60 requires about 200 Mbps (25 MB/sec). Therefore the issue must be either encoder ASIC performance or thermal.

That's true, yeah. Even low compression 800 Mbit is just 125 MBps, which should be fine for UHS II cards. Probably thermal since the ASIC can handle 20 FPS compressed RAW? Maybe ASIC though since it only handles 12 fps uncompressed raw.

mcluckie wrote in post #18340274
I feel the same about Sony. I'm really considering Leica again; Fuji is a crop.

I thought I could salvage my Zeiss glass investment with Sony, but the size of the kit is still the size of the glass.

I'm not advocating for aps sized format specifically, but with my recent entree into Fuji's world with an X100S, I have been favorably impressed. While certainly no substitute for a Canon or Nikon with long lenses, with shorter lenses they deliver. Travel and general use where exquisite speed isn't necessary but high image quality is required is where Fuji shines.

Any working guy doing events or fashion or sports will still want their DSLRs, or maybe, a hot rod mirrorless like Sony.

corndog cabernet wrote in post #18340290
I'm not advocating for aps sized format specifically, but with my recent entree into Fuji's world with an X100S, I have been favorably impressed. While certainly no substitute for a Canon or Nikon with long lenses, with shorter lenses they deliver. Travel and general use where exquisite speed isn't necessary but high image quality is required is where Fuji shines.

Any working guy doing events or fashion or sports will still want their DSLRs, or maybe, a hot rod mirrorless like Sony.

For my travel I use a Sony kit which consists of two cameras ( A7R and A6000 ) and a collection of lenses from 18mm up to 100mm. My travel photography consists of both street / environmental portraits and landscape photography and ultimate image quality is important for my landscapes. I tried the Fuji system for a bit but found the image quality was lacking, especially when printing large.

With the two Sony cameras, they share everything from lenses, batteries, cards and chargers. I use the A7R mostly for landscapes and environmental images along with Zeiss glass and use the 6300 with either the Sony 28mm or 35mm which make for a great very compact outfit.

Going the Sony route for my travel allows me to use one system for both my landscape images and street images, very flexible that way.

corndog cabernet wrote in post #18340290
I'm not advocating for aps sized format specifically, but with my recent entree into Fuji's world with an X100S, I have been favorably impressed. While certainly no substitute for a Canon or Nikon with long lenses, with shorter lenses they deliver. Travel and general use where exquisite speed isn't necessary but high image quality is required is where Fuji shines.

Any working guy doing events or fashion or sports will still want their DSLRs, or maybe, a hot rod mirrorless like Sony.

Hot rod, maybe. I'm hoping the 6D2 will take EgS screens and CF. But, yeah, a real silent mode.

You're right; there seems to be a lot of medium-wide to normal lenses in APS-C systems.

I had a 100S and I think my lack of love was the 35mm lens. I have a love/hate with a 35mm—I'd need a 28 or a 50 to make the voices stop.

The Xt-2 looks very interesting, so I can get my preferred focal length. I'd have to get new optics, but I have no idea what I'd sell to make room. Its too much trouble... maybe just go Leica and be done.

Humorous aside:
I was just in Manhattan and went to B and H, looking to see these options. Salesguy blew off Fuji and Canon M5 because they're APS-C, done deal. Wouldn't even get off his chair. I said I read that Fuji has better lenses than Sony, and he kept pushing an A7r2 to me. The viewfinder was kind-of optical experience. Never got shown a Fuji or M5, despite my asking again.