Sony A9: Is Canon doomed ?

Talley wrote in post #18342574
Indeed.

Too Rich for my blood unfortunately. if I was gonna roll around with the Sony then I would have all Sony glass that takes advantage of their facial ID setup which requires their native glass

Does it really? I'll have to test it out, I do have face recognition setup and I could have sworn it works with any lens.

Charlie wrote in post #18342595
Does it really? I'll have to test it out, I do have face recognition setup and I could have sworn it works with any lens.

Face-recognition works with compatible Canon lenses but Eye-recognition doesn't:
http://briansmith.com …n-ef-smart-adapter-tests/

Now the question is what makes a "compatible Canon lens".

No my buddy has Sony for awhile and I could of sworn it has the ability to store someone face in there and u could program faces to be priority when in groups but it only worked with Sony native glass

Am I wrong on this?

Uhm... I never use face detect, let alone recognition of someone's face (seems to me only something I'd use only for fun at Mount Rushmore).
And sorry for not checking, but fiddling with Sony settings hidden in a nonsense user interface is as fun as changing a tire.

In any case I don't see how a lens would make the difference for the algorithm, apart maybe a fisheye or super-wide-angle at the border of the frame.

Talley wrote in post #18342734
No my buddy has Sony for awhile and I could of sworn it has the ability to store someone face in there and u could program faces to be priority when in groups but it only worked with Sony native glass

Am I wrong on this?

Works with any lens, just tested with an ancient 50 macro by sigma. Had two kids, one in front and one in back. Without registered, it would focus on front kid, when registration enabled, would stay locked in priority kid in the back

Yes it does have some sort of function like that, I have not enabled it as I had similar on a Panasonic ( Could be an Oly) and it turned out to be a right PITA. There is a function in light room as well or there was that can detect faces moderately well.

Can in camera face recognition be passed to the raw xmp or is it entirely separate just for focus from Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw data?

idkdc wrote in post #18342792
Can in camera face recognition be passed to the raw xmp or is it entirely separate just for focus from Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw data?

That would be a nice feature

Talley wrote in post #18342734
No my buddy has Sony for awhile and I could of sworn it has the ability to store someone face in there and u could program faces to be priority

That would be incredibly useful for photographing wildlife. I don't know how many times I try to focus on a deer's face (eye) and the neck or antlers end up being in focus instead. Or how many times I try to focus on a bird's eye and the breast feathers are in focus instead.

This ability to program what you want into the camera and have that be the thing that it focuses on - now that would be extremely helpful, and something that would increase my keeper rate by quite a bit.

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Really at the current moment, No

Sony still has a long way to go, their system does not yet offer super telephotos in a native mount supporting all AF modes. Converting lenses might be fine for some users, but I know, for a fact, if I'm a working pro doing sports photography, I am not risking my paycheck and reputation on a converter, I'd certainly never trust it to deliver results 100% the time the way a 1DX and 500 f/4L IS does.

If however Canon continues to ignore offering a high end mirrorless system and continues to not respond to Sony (namely crippling video in the DSLR line to force people into buying Canon cine cameras)

Sony is making great strides and Canon should take note and start putting plans together to move. For all we know Canon has a solid mirrorless offering they've kept top secret. I know the Nikon users are currently EXTREMELY nervous (Between Nikon losing money and losing their number 2 spot.. Nikon does not look to be in good shape)

With Canon's dual pixel AF System thats already showing its pretty solid, they've got a good basis for a solid A7 competitor imho.

KenjiS wrote in post #18343904
Really at the current moment, No

Sony still has a long way to go, their system does not yet offer super telephotos in a native mount supporting all AF modes. Converting lenses might be fine for some users, but I know, for a fact, if I'm a working pro doing sports photography, I am not risking my paycheck and reputation on a converter, I'd certainly never trust it to deliver results 100% the time the way a 1DX and 500 f/4L IS does.

If however Canon continues to ignore offering a high end mirrorless system and continues to not respond to Sony (namely crippling video in the DSLR line to force people into buying Canon cine cameras)

Sony is making great strides and Canon should take note and start putting plans together to move. For all we know Canon has a solid mirrorless offering they've kept top secret. I know the Nikon users are currently EXTREMELY nervous (Between Nikon losing money and losing their number 2 spot.. Nikon does not look to be in good shape)

With Canon's dual pixel AF System thats already showing its pretty solid, they've got a good basis for a solid A7 competitor imho.

I can see Sony needing work to get the Professional sports photographers to switch over...but I believe Sony has everything in place to lure over the other professional photographers, specifically wedding, portrait, journalists, event etc... These photographers rely on the 24-70 and 70-200 2.8 zooms, which Sony added as well as some nice primes...which again Sony has added.

I see the noiseless shutter of the A9 a huge benefit for weddings, events and any place where traditional shutters sounds interfered with the event. Sony recognizes it needs to offer the pros better service and is establishing support for its professional photographers.

If I was Sony, I wouldn't even care about the Professional sports market...it's very tiny compared to the other markets and very expensive to get in. Don't understand why Sony would even look at it...other than to stick their fingers right into Canikons pie.

I wonder...how well will Sony convince wedding and event shooters to spend $1000 more for the A9 than a 5Dn camera?!
The silent shutter is really nice, when the clicking sound is picked up by an adjacent mic such as what TV news correspondents have set up for press conferences. I personally strongly dislike the din caused by multiple news photographers with dSLRs all chattering away at 3-5fps each and making it difficult to hear the person at the microphones.
But frankly at the last wedding I attended as a guest (only 4 months ago) there were about 4 photographers yet I noticed no obtrusively clicking shutters during either the ceremony or reception, and I was only about 4 rows behind the front row filled with family (my wife and are both very long time family friends of the bride's family).
I just measured the click of my own dSLR from a distance of about 15' and the sound meter only went up to about 32 dB...that is described as similar to 'a quiet whisper in a public library'...the guests collectively just fidgeting in the pews are louder!

Just an observation...........​....not that its worth much in the overall scheme of things.

Canikon are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Sony have slowly, although slightly more forceful with the A9, placed them there.
If Canikon were to release a "solid" or "class leading" mirrorless FF solution to compete with Sony's offerings, I think a couple of things could happen.

1. Disenfranchise a large number of their existing customers, who have recently (last 2 years) bought the latest DSLR offerings?
2. Cannibalize their own DSLR sales, possibly to the point of making them irrelevant going forward?

So what should they do?
Lets say Canon bring out an A9 beater, that supports EF glass natively. You on the other hand, currently have a 1DX II and a 5D IV.
OR
Nikon do the same and you have a D5 and D810 (D750) in your kit.

Would you be ecstatic? Would you be supportive of Canikon for doing this, knowing your $10k investment (value wise) has most likely just dropped off a cliff?
I know the investment is really in the lenses, BUT $10K is still $10K. Hell you could buy some nice additional glass with that or upgrade a couple of Mk1 to Mk2.

I'm really unsure what Canikon are going to do, personally I wonder what CAN they DO?

So is the A9 a game changer, from the above perspective I think so. Not because of how good the A9 is, but because somehow Canikon
may need to do something and CHANGE their game.

Discuss.

Butts wrote in post #18344039
Discuss.

It seems like you think of the introduction of mirrorless systems as a harbinger of DSLRs becoming obsolete. I do not think this needs to be the case.

Canon can develop and release a superior mirrorless system that will serve those who prefer a smaller form factor, quiet shutters, and electronic viewfinders. And they can continue to make excellent DSLRs for those like myself, who prefer large camera bodies and optical viewfinders.

Why do you seem to think that these two systems can't co-exist?

If Canon developed and released a lineup of excellent mirrorless cameras and lenses, as Canon DSLR owner, I would not feel disenfranchised at all. Why? Because there is no need for a new system to have any adverse effect on the existing DSLR system. Each will appeal to its own part of the market. Those who prefer DSLRs can continue to buy Canon's DSLR offerings for years to come, and those who prefer mirrorless will buy Canon mirrorless offerings.

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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18344128
It seems like you think of the introduction of mirrorless systems as a harbinger of DSLRs becoming obsolete. I do not think this needs to be the case.

Canon can develop and release a superior mirrorless system that will serve those who prefer a smaller form factor, quiet shutters, and electronic viewfinders. And they can continue to make excellent DSLRs for those like myself, who prefer large camera bodies and optical viewfinders.

Why do you seem to think that these two systems can't co-exist?

If Canon developed and released a lineup of excellent mirrorless cameras and lenses, as Canon DSLR owner, I would not feel disenfranchised at all. Why? Because there is no need for a new system to have any adverse effect on the existing DSLR system. Each will appeal to its own part of the market. Those who prefer DSLRs can continue to buy Canon's DSLR offerings for years to come, and those who prefer mirrorless will buy Canon mirrorless offerings.

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Tom, I don't think that Mirrorless will make the DSLR obsolete..............​.yet.
But I do concede Sony are upping the ante, and making us as photographers take note.

Canikon could make a superior mirrorless system ,whether it will be small form factor or not. They could quite as easily make their mirrorless offering the same size
as our existing DSLR's, but with less weight. Better battery life!!
What I was trying to allude too was, WOULD Canikon do this and possibly cause some backlash from their existing Customer base (those who have the lastest)?
Certainly if they were to release an A9 equivalent or superior, if could have ramifications.

As you mentioned Canon, of which I am a Canon shooter, what if the following happened.

Canon release an M1X mirrorless FF. Say 28-30mp, shoots 20 or more FPS, takes native EF glass, has a form factor similar to the current 1DX but half the weight.
Battery life is rated 6000 shots, shutter 30sec - 1/64,000.
AF and tracking is superior or same to the 1DX II. Price comes out at around 1DX II, give or take.
Would you switch? Would you think your DSLR is still relevent?

I'm only asking this, because I wonder if this is where things will head VERY quickly as opposed to in the next 5 years.