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May 15, 2017 10:00 |  #16

Thanks for all your opinions and listening to mine. It's alright that we disagree. I do find it off that after multiple inquires from other photographers who had issues with this they removed the option from their website so they didn't feel it was in their best interested due to some circumstance.


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May 15, 2017 10:05 |  #17

jaredcwood wrote in post #18355140 (external link)
I do find it off that after multiple inquires from other photographers who had issues with this they removed the option from their website so they didn't feel it was in their best interested due to some circumstance.

Maybe they had simply sold all the slots and there was no reason to keep announcing the offer?


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May 15, 2017 10:11 as a reply to  @ OhLook's post |  #18

One of the photographers that reached out said that they were not going to offer it anymore due to the response from photographers reaching out to them.


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May 15, 2017 10:23 |  #19

jaredcwood wrote in post #18355153 (external link)
One of the photographers that reached out said that they were not going to offer it anymore due to the response from photographers reaching out to them.

I still don't understand what it is that photographers think is wrong with this. You tried to explain this to me, but only mentioned one problem that you had with it, and that didn't even really seem like a problem because the event organizers are completely up-front about the fact that not all artists will be available.

So what are the other problems that you have with this? And what problems do the other photographers have with it?

I want to better understand your position, but cannot do so until you provide us with more details about your feelings and opinions.

By the way, I also wonder if you have problem with this (see image below).


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May 15, 2017 15:26 |  #20

With all due respect I've grown tired of trying to explain to you my thoughts on this subject. I apologize that I was not able to communicate to you better.

I have a problem with people paying money to get a special privilege reserved for people there to do a job.

I have a problem with the artists not being considered to profit from the extreme offerings. Bands often offer VIP experiences of their own that this is now competing with. Firefly wrote "Once we receive an inquiry, we work directly with the selected artists’ team to ensure that everyone is aware of the experience happening. The bulk of the cost comes from the services that Firefly is providing (escorting, equipment, editing post event, etc) so artists typically do not ask for a cut. But if they do, we will work with them." I call BS.

Lastly it feels like they're trying to obtain media for promotional use and getting paid to do so. Anyone on here who has been published before will tell you about the pride they have in that particular work. To sell passes and handout gear that may eliminate the need for a professional's photo feels like those professionals are being snubbed.

Again my opinion. I'm sorry if you disagree with it. As for your "Super VIP" stab at me, I have no idea what relevance that has in this conversation.

Since Firefly has taken down the option I don't think it's meaningful to continue this conversation any further. Thanks again for your thoughts and opinions.


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May 15, 2017 15:59 |  #21

jaredcwood wrote in post #18355437 (external link)
With all due respect I've grown tired of trying to explain to you my thoughts on this subject. I apologize that I was not able to communicate to you better.

This is the first time you have actually put any sustained effort into explaining your feelings on the issue and communicated in a detailed, specific manner. Before this post, you only wrote one short response of explanation to me - you grew tired, from that?

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I have a problem with people paying money to get a special privilege reserved for people there to do a job.

I have a problem with the artists not being considered to profit from the extreme offerings. Bands often offer VIP experiences of their own that this is now competing with. Firefly wrote "Once we receive an inquiry, we work directly with the selected artists’ team to ensure that everyone is aware of the experience happening. The bulk of the cost comes from the services that Firefly is providing (escorting, equipment, editing post event, etc) so artists typically do not ask for a cut. But if they do, we will work with them." I call BS.

Lastly it feels like they're trying to obtain media for promotional use and getting paid to do so. Anyone on here who has been published before will tell you about the pride they have in that particular work. To sell passes and handout gear that may eliminate the need for a professional's photo feels like those professionals are being snubbed.

Thank you for providing this explanation for the way that you feel. Before this post, I had no idea why you had a problem with the 'Photography Experience", or whatever it was that they called it. Now I know.

In not just this issue but on all issues in all threads, I like lots and lots of personal explanations about how and why people feel certain ways about things. That is the reason to have a forum in the first place, so that we can articulate in a detailed manner the way that we feel about everything. This is how we gain insights from others - insights that we may never otherwise gain.

The level of communication that I was looking to get from you on this topic that you brought up is no different than the level of communication that I expect from any other person who posts comments to these forums. We should all strive to express ourselves in as detailed and as accurate a manner as possible. We are here to have in-depth conversations about things, not to just post a thought or two and then run off.

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As for your "Super VIP" stab at me, I have no idea what relevance that has in this conversation.

It was not a stab at you. What made you think that it was? I was asking if you had a problem with it because I wanted to know. And I still don't know, because you did not answer the question. I suspect that perhaps you simply don't like the event organizers finding ways to make huge gobs of money from this event. But I don't know that for sure - I merely suspect it. Therefore, your response to the "Super VIP" thing, if given, would have given me a clue as to whether you are bothered by other people getting rich from charging a lot of money for something.


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May 15, 2017 17:43 |  #22

I think if this was an attempt to get media for cheap, they wouldnt have explicitly put that this is not for photographers trying to build their portfolio...it's for fans...

I still see nothing wrong with it...but people like to complain about nothing nowadays...that whole rant video was ridiculous


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May 15, 2017 19:26 |  #23

One of our local camera shops has a deal with the local professional soccer club to offer amateur photographers the chance to "be a pro sports shooter for a day", or similar wording. It's not the right season here, so I can't find a link with all of the terms and conditions.

From memory, you pay a few hundred dollars, and you get sideline access at a game and can borrow 'pro' gear like lenses. It sounds similar to this music festival offering.

The real professionals are there as well. From the stands, the amateurs seem to enjoy themselves, and there seems to be room for both amateurs and professionals (of course, there should be plenty of room around a football field).

I've always considered that to be an "experience" that allows photographers to pay to do something that they couldn't otherwise do, including otherwise unavailable sideline access to a professional match, and use of pro gear.

I'm not sure what the fuss is here. It's not like you have to hand over all of your photos and copyright, like some music artists try to enforce.


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