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Need of or Getting of Authority from people to post pictures in your portfolio

 
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Jun 07, 2017 07:19 |  #1

I am putting together a portfolio of a couple of events that I took pictures at. This portfolio will be featured on my website as a showing of my work. This is to help get things started with getting paid for some of my work.

The events that I want to use for my portfolio are that of friends/family that also include their friends or families.

I have contacted many of the people in the photo's asking for authorization to have them featured in my portfolio. All are receptive.

However, I am not getting response from a few.

First of all, these are my photo's but as a non paid photographer. Some of the photo's include teenagers, so I am contacting their parents. These events are Bridal Shower, family portaits of pre High School Graduation ceremony, family kids sporting events, pre Prom picture taking at someones house and a couple of Portrait sessions from Scouts and an Eagle Ceremony.

I do have some questions:
1. While I like to be courteous and respectful, is it really required that I seek authorization to post my photo's of these people on my web site?
2. What are the legalities of posting photo's of people I have taken a picture of (strangers or people I know)
3. In the future, for paid events, should I include something of this nature in my contract that allows me the rights to share these images as I wish?


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Jun 07, 2017 10:16 |  #2

The current state of afairs is as follows
1. You need people's permission to use their likeness for marketing.
2. Ignore point 1 because artist/photographers portfolios are exempt from the above.
3. Ignore point 2 because it was made law before the internet existed, when a portfolio was something you showed to a person standing next to you. A web portfolio could arguably be considered publishing, because it is visible to many people at once; and if there is one thing lawyers are good at it is arguing.

Conclusion
Errr yea, good luck with that.


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Jun 07, 2017 10:49 |  #3

Dan Marchant wrote in post #18373113 (external link)
The current state of afairs is as follows
1. You need people's permission to use their likeness for marketing.
2. Ignore point 1 because artist/photographers portfolios are exempt from the above.
3. Ignore point 2 because it was made law before the internet existed, when a portfolio was something you showed to a person standing next to you. A web portfolio could arguably be considered publishing, because it is visible to many people at once; and if there is one thing lawyers are good at it is arguing.

Conclusion
Errr yea, good luck with that.

...so Point 3 returns you back to Point 1. Best practice is 'get their permission'...via email you can keep (or in writing, on paper) to avoid future need for legal hassles.

RocketLawyer says:

"That distinction is pretty important. If you met a celebrity on the street and asked to take a picture with them, you could actually sell that picture to a newspaper or publication. That celebrity isn’t promoting anything (after all, you aren’t using their likeness to sell sneakers). They’re simply another person, on the street, who posed for a picture.

But were you to use that same picture in an advertisement for your website, product, or idea, you’d be violating that person’s use of likeness rights. They didn’t agree to promote your website, product, or idea, so you can’t simply use the picture in any way you see fit. "

The current legal tack that is ofeten taken is that unconsented use of a photos can be stopped as 'a violation of your right of privacy if those photos were not meant to be made public'. if the photos were shot inside the studio, one can readily claim that they never intended for the photos to 'get out' beyond their living room wall. But if the photos were shot in a public location, the 'right to privacy' argument goes counter to any expectation of privacy.
Right to Privacy is very different from Right of Publicity, in which specific rights will depend on the state you are in--the right to publicity varies by state.

Right of Publicity in California protects against unauthorized uses of a person’s name or likeness for commercial and certain other exploitative purposes.
California's statute protects against uses of a person's likeness for advertising purposes. Specifically, the statute prohibits “knowing” use of a person’s name/likeness/etc.,
on or in products, merchandise, or goods, or for purposes of advertising or selling, or soliciting purchases of, products, merchandise, goods or services, without such person's prior consent.
Courts have thus interpreted the statute to impose a three-step test:


  1. Was there a “knowing” use of the plaintiff’s protected identity?
  2. Was the use for advertising purposes?
  3. Was there a direct connection between the use and the commercial purpose?


And there is a 2 year statute of limitations on use on a website. Both the statutory and common law right of publicity claims are subject to a two-year statute of limitations.

I have not been able to find any information about legal requirements concerning a photographer's use of client images in a portfolio or studio window in CA.


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Jun 07, 2017 11:00 |  #4

Laws differ in every country and in every state of the US, it seems.

I found this article, Beware the Right of Publicity (external link) which keeps it nice and confusing, to me anyway.

So Wilt's advice is pretty sound.




  
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Jun 07, 2017 11:19 |  #5

Yep, Right of Publicity varies by state. This is the subject's rights as to how their likeness is used. Generally, you may not use the subject's likeness for commercial purposes without their explicit permission. An online portfolio might be commercial purposes. Or it might not. Varies by state and even then is still unclear.

It's distinctly different than copyright, which is the photographer's rights as to how their photos are used.

Here's another useful link for Right of Publicity:
http://www.dmlp.org …state-law-right-publicity (external link)

Here's the link specifically for Indiana:
http://www.dmlp.org …diana-right-publicity-law (external link)

The Indiana statute does expressly mention the following:
"advertising or promotional material created or used ... to be published, distributed, exhibited, or disseminated within Indiana."

So maybe your portfolio is advertising or promotional material. or maybe it's not, who knows.

But wait, there's more!
However: The Indiana statute also expressly gives an exemption for
"original works of fine art; ... or advertisements for the above uses."

So maybe your photography is original works of fine art, in which case you can use other people's likenesses to advertise it. Or maybe your photography isn't fine art at all, it's just snapshots. Who knows.


I believe the statutes are intentionally kinda vague.


Personal opinion: Go out and make some new photos with the express intent of using them in your portfolio. At that time, secure the subject's written permission to use the photos in your portfolio.


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Jun 07, 2017 16:42 |  #6

So, I think erring on the side of caution is my best approach. I will keep getting those authorizations.

Thank you all for your input. It certainly is not clear, but best to be safe than have aggravation later of dealing with someone who wants to be litigious about things...right or wrong, it's a time waster.


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