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Mar 09, 2019 06:06 |  #26866

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I would wait and see how much exactly are they giving the 3 series in April. Might be enough for you to keep your combo, or not. The 6400 AF seems really appealing based on responses from FM forums.

From what’s been listed it’s getting the full time Eye AF but not the Real Time AF, but just a thought that I’ll have to consider.


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Mar 09, 2019 06:27 |  #26867

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If you're a jpeg shooter I still think the Fuji system is very good. Reasonable cost of lenses, big variety of FL and the upcoming X-t30 will be a cheap bundle with very good performance both in family video documentation and still image quality. Cooked processed Fuji flavoured jpegs really is quite good. I have a love/hate with Fuji but it is still a good system. I do prefer primes with the Fuji system as I'll take fast glass to keep arm length away from shooting high iso. This is where you must figure out your appreciation of a system in IQ and tolerance to noise. Fuji glass is very affordable compared to native Sony glass. But some of their glass is still quite spendy. Right now the fuji 8-16mm is on sale for 1974.99 CDN (Reg 2600.00). You can buy the 10-24mm for 1/2 that price. Analyze the prices of glass when you jump into a system.

I really do not care for Sony's sooc jpegs as they are very RAW looking. I shoot small jpeg and most cases compressed RAW and post process.

It boils down to your preference to Sony render or not. I still prefer the looks of my Fuji or Canon when it comes to human subjects. Sony has a RAW looking more clinical look that really requires some passionate post processing for my taste.

For the price of our Tamron 28-75mm it's such a good lens for the price. Cannot complain about the balance of the body/lens combo too. I just like having Sony's crisp clean images with great background separation using zooms. If you shoot APS-C fuji for example I'd take the "snapshots" of your A73 with Tamron 28-75mm over using Fuji f/2 primes (f/3 FF dof equiv). You'll have the versatility of a zoom while getting very good image "pop". You'd need to shoot f/1.2 or 1.4 fuji primes to get f/1.8 or f/2.1 FF equiv dof.

You can rent or just dive in and buy an A6400. You'll know what fits your needs and demands.....

Thanks for your insight, I really you taking the time to post. I’ve done the whole Fuji thing over and over before, I’m afflicted with GAS as bad as anyone in this thread. My attempts at trying to mesh with Fuji borders on what they might consider insane, you know doing the same over and over again and expecting different results. Fuji makes some great gear, I’ve owned 3 different X100 series (only skipped the original), had the XE2, X-Pro 2, and all three X-T’s. They work for a lot of people, just not for me. Their jpeg engine is certainly impressive but I was never a huge fan enough to say that they’re clearly better than anyone else. I am one who places AF speed and focus above most, to the point where I’d rather have an in focus, clear shot that might have slightly less detail or worse jpeg, than the reverse.

One of the biggest advantages of FF to me is cleaner high iso performance, but digesting my stats from 2018, it appears that I went over iso 6400 on less than 300 shots, and most of that was in a dark performance, otherwise I’m always at lower iso since I’m mostly in good to decent light.

I’ll most likely take your advice though and pickup a 6400 this week and one or two glass. Losing the Z battery would suck, but having had the 6000 series before I always had 3-4 extras.

I’ll admit part of this might just be me coming to the gripes that this is all a hobby for me. My wife did something similar. She built up a huge collection of designer handbags since we got married. Then we had kids and her purchases started to slow down. Then we bought a house and she stopped spending money on her wants and put it back into the house. Then we had a time when we were down to 1 income for about 2 weeks. Despite me telling her that everything would be fine and that’s what we have a decent enough emergency fund and savings for, she went ahead and sold off like 90% of her bags and only kept 1-2. I had no idea how many she had, to me they all looked the same, but she ended up getting in the 5 figures for them. Her rationale is that they no longer gave her joy to carry, they were collecting dust in the closet since instead of going out on date nights together now we’re going to family nights at Chili’s, lol. Call it a midlife crisis or just seeing your spouse go through and big purge, but it could be what’s motivating me to do this, but I’m seriously thinking that a single a6400, 35 1.8 and new Sigma 56 1.4 would cover my bases.


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Mar 09, 2019 06:44 |  #26868

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Mar 09, 2019 07:01 |  #26869

We got through so many waterfalls, it's hard to know where we were!!

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Mar 09, 2019 09:38 |  #26870

TMaG82 wrote in post #18825770 (external link)
Thanks for your insight, I really you taking the time to post. I’ve done the whole Fuji thing over and over before, I’m afflicted with GAS as bad as anyone in this thread. My attempts at trying to mesh with Fuji borders on what they might consider insane, you know doing the same over and over again and expecting different results. Fuji makes some great gear, I’ve owned 3 different X100 series (only skipped the original), had the XE2, X-Pro 2, and all three X-T’s. They work for a lot of people, just not for me. Their jpeg engine is certainly impressive but I was never a huge fan enough to say that they’re clearly better than anyone else. I am one who places AF speed and focus above most, to the point where I’d rather have an in focus, clear shot that might have slightly less detail or worse jpeg, than the reverse.

One of the biggest advantages of FF to me is cleaner high iso performance, but digesting my stats from 2018, it appears that I went over iso 6400 on less than 300 shots, and most of that was in a dark performance, otherwise I’m always at lower iso since I’m mostly in good to decent light.

I’ll most likely take your advice though and pickup a 6400 this week and one or two glass. Losing the Z battery would suck, but having had the 6000 series before I always had 3-4 extras.

I noticed quite the hit in the low light performance dept when I stepped down from canon FF to Sony APS-c. I may be wrong here and have no desire to debate the rules of light and physics with anyone (I say this cause last time I mentioned this on a forum I got plastered with a bunch of technical mumbo jumbo). But it's been my experience that when using a copy sensor you will need a slower SS for any given ISO in order to get good exposure when compared to it's FF counterpart. In the end this has forced me to use higher ISO's in order to get decent SS's in low light conditions. I find this a little crippling from time to time. On top of that, I feel that images on the whole are cleaner at the higher ISO's on FF than APS-c. Having said this, I'm willing (for now) to sacrifice a little low light performance as I absolutely LOVE the small size of my APS-c kit and less expensive lenses. What I will admit (and this is something Eddie mentioned they other day in a post) is that I miss the shallow Dof with FF sensor cameras. I keep tossing around the idea of picking up an 85mm prime for that little extra subject separation (as well as a little extra reach) from time to time. What I'd really like to see (and this is totally a pipe dream that will likely never happen) is a small/lightweight 70-200 F2 APS-c zoom. But I digress.....

On another note....IMO just because someone is no longer super serious about their photography or they consider themselves only a hobbyist is not a strong argument for switching to APS-c and tolerating a lesser quality overall experience. Switching to save a few bucks or for the smaller/lighter kit is totally reasonable. But, just because someone uses their gear primarily to document family stuff doesn't mean they only need or deserve an APS-c system. So don't sell short your Friday night family snapshots at Chillis! ;-)a

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Mar 09, 2019 09:48 |  #26871

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I’m seriously considering swapping out my a7iii and Tamron 28-75 for an a6400 and some lenses, maybe some Sigma APS-C glass, am I nuts?

Here’s my thinking.

I’m extremely excited about the new AF improvements of the a6400 which will be added to the a9, but not the a7iii. Not just the full time Eye AF, but the real time tracking. I’d lose the FF sensor, which I’ve grown to love, but more so for high iso shooting, not for razor thing DoF. I shoot with just the 2.8 zoomlens right now, haven’t had a 1.8 or 1.4 lens for about 1.5 years now. I’d lose the Dual Card slots, Which I think I’d miss. Af joystick is no biggie, can’t remember the last time I used it, I’m mostly in AF-C wide, eye af.

I can’t remember the last time I sat down and processed a raw file, sadly it’s mostly shoot, share, and repeat of the jpegs. I haven’t taken on a paid gig in a while and I’m much more in dad mode now and starting to realize that I’m less serious photographer lately and more snapshot guy. Not sure when this changed, but it could’ve been that year I had no camera at all while I was buying my house. I know that I still want a MiLC and will never be a phone camera only guy, but starting to think that for my needs now, a FF might be overkill, starting to think that a6400 will probably cover 90% of what I need and like 1/2 to 1/3 the price and be easier to carry around.

Wanted to run it by the group here, am I just completely nuts?

Possibly.... ;)

But we all have different needs, desires, spare finances, time, etc etc

I just think you should sit on it for a while. Don't rush into a decision & regret it.

You say you don't do paid or serious photography, you're just more of a 'snapshot guy' - So do you really need the super AF of the A6400? Or is it the size/weight/portabilit​y? I would imagine the A7iii & Tamron f/2.8 zoom is quite a capable kit?


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Mar 09, 2019 10:12 |  #26872

The more I come back to Lightroom the more often I click....

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Mar 09, 2019 10:25 |  #26873

TMaG82 wrote in post #18825770 (external link)
I’ll admit part of this might just be me coming to the gripes that this is all a hobby for me. My wife did something similar. She built up a huge collection of designer handbags since we got married. Then we had kids and her purchases started to slow down. Then we bought a house and she stopped spending money on her wants and put it back into the house. Then we had a time when we were down to 1 income for about 2 weeks. Despite me telling her that everything would be fine and that’s what we have a decent enough emergency fund and savings for, she went ahead and sold off like 90% of her bags and only kept 1-2. I had no idea how many she had, to me they all looked the same, but she ended up getting in the 5 figures for them. Her rationale is that they no longer gave her joy to carry, they were collecting dust in the closet since instead of going out on date nights together now we’re going to family nights at Chili’s, lol. Call it a midlife crisis or just seeing your spouse go through and big purge, but it could be what’s motivating me to do this, but I’m seriously thinking that a single a6400, 35 1.8 and new Sigma 56 1.4 would cover my bases.

This hobby can get out of hand financially if you're not careful. My GAS was probably among the worst here at one point.... I downsized my kit out of financial necessity last year and the interesting thing is that it took nothing away from my actual photography. Things are all good now financially and photography business is taking off but I'm still trying to keep a level head about things. I'm really focusing on what is absolutely necessary for me and not getting caught up in marketing hype because thats really what was happening

At any rate, I've been processing two weddings over the past couple of weeks....my second shoots Fuji and I had an a6500 for one of the weddings. I'd say that nowadays APS-C is a lot closer to FF in real world use. The sensitivity of these sensors are so good that even aps-c is really clean until you start hitting extremes, and even then, the noise is very uniform so it's not as aesthetically bothersome as back in the day when banding would ruin photos.

You're looking at basically 1 stop in signal noise difference between FF and apsc...its really not that much in the grand scheme of things it's pretty easy to make up one stop of ISO through composition (flash, SS, f-stop).


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Mar 09, 2019 10:43 |  #26874

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I noticed quite the hit in the low light performance dept when I stepped down from canon FF to Sony APS-c. I may be wrong here and have no desire to debate the rules of light and physics with anyone (I say this cause last time I mentioned this on a forum I got plastered with a bunch of technical mumbo jumbo). But it's been my experience that when using a copy sensor you will need a slower SS for any given ISO in order to get good exposure when compared to it's FF counterpart. In the end this has forced me to use higher ISO's in order to get decent SS's in low light conditions. I find this a little crippling from time to time. On top of that, I feel that images on the whole are cleaner at the higher ISO's on FF than APS-c. Having said this, I'm willing (for now) to sacrifice a little low light performance as I absolutely LOVE the small size of my APS-c kit and less expensive lenses. What I will admit (and this is something Eddie mentioned they other day in a post) is that I miss the shallow Dof with FF sensor cameras. I keep tossing around the idea of picking up an 85mm prime for that little extra subject separation (as well as a little extra reach) from time to time. What I'd really like to see (and this is totally a pipe dream that will likely never happen) is a small/lightweight 70-200 F2 APS-c zoom. But I digress.....

On another note....IMO just because someone is no longer super serious about their photography or they consider themselves only a hobbyist is not a strong argument for switching to APS-c and tolerating a lesser quality overall experience. Switching to save a few bucks or for the smaller/lighter kit is totally reasonable. But, just because someone uses their gear primarily to document family stuff doesn't mean they only need or deserve an APS-c system. So don't sell short your Friday night family snapshots at Chillis! ;-)a

Lastly,

Thanks for your insight in this. I appreciate you taking the time. I've run the whole circle when it comes to gear, starting from my first mirrorless, the NEX-6 to m4/3, to FF, to even trying a GFX for about a week to see what all the buzz is about. It could be just my emotions coming from the NEX-6 since it was my first real camera that I took serious and that I put around 40,000 shots through of my first months with my wife to the birth of my oldest daughter, to our first real family trips. I took about half of those pictures with just the NEX-6 and the 24mm 1.8. I look back at those photos with the fondest of memories, but then again it could've been taken with a potato and I probably would've been fine with it. I see memories and not shallow DoF or ISO noise, I just think that I'm starting to get to a point where there are diminishing returns when it comes to gear. Sure it would be nice to save a few bucks here and there, but we all know that between buying gear, selling gear, trying new gear out that it's a end loss. I'm starting to get more and more into video lately, not film making by any means, just documenting more family events/moment with video and the old 18-105 that I used with my 6500 was a great lens for the power zoom, the parafocal nature, and just the overall range, so that'd be one of the lenses that I pickup. I'm pricing out a 18-105, a 56 1.4, and the pancake 20mm f/2.8, then I could hold off on the Ricoh GR possibly and go with a 20mm f/2.8 as my ultra small setup, the 56 for portraits of the kids, and the 18-105 for the rest of walking around.

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Possibly.... ;)

But we all have different needs, desires, spare finances, time, etc etc

I just think you should sit on it for a while. Don't rush into a decision & regret it.

You say you don't do paid or serious photography, you're just more of a 'snapshot guy' - So do you really need the super AF of the A6400? Or is it the size/weight/portabilit​y? I would imagine the A7iii & Tamron f/2.8 zoom is quite a capable kit?

It's a mix between size/weight/portabilit​y, but also wanting the super AF. Don't get me wrong, the a7III is a great kit and I love the 28-75 2.8 more than the GM I used to have as well. With my older daughter turning 6 and her wanting to get more into outdoor activities, being able to carry a smaller 6400, capture a few snapshots, but also have acceptable quality is a middle ground that I'm trying to find.

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This hobby can get out of hand financially if you're not careful. My GAS was probably among the worst here at one point.... I downsized my kit out of financial necessity last year and the interesting thing is that it took nothing away from my actual photography. Things are all good now financially and photography business is taking off but I'm still trying to keep a level head about things. I'm really focusing on what is absolutely necessary for me and not getting caught up in marketing hype because thats really what was happening

At any rate, I've been processing two weddings over the past couple of weeks....my second shoots Fuji and I had an a6500 for one of the weddings. I'd say that nowadays APS-C is a lot closer to FF in real world use. The sensitivity of these sensors are so good that even aps-c is really clean until you start hitting extremes, and even then, the noise is very uniform so it's not as aesthetically bothersome as back in the day when banding would ruin photos.

You're looking at basically 1 stop in signal noise difference between FF and apsc...its really not that much in the grand scheme of things it's pretty easy to make up one stop of ISO through composition (flash, SS, f-stop).

Definitely, it can get crazy. Going through a situation where we were down to 1 income, even if it lasted only 10 days, was an eye opener for my wife. I had no doubt that it would not last at all, but for her she decided to go into survival mode. I don't think this potential move is motivated much by finances, at the end of the day the difference between selling an a7III and Tamron and buying the 6400, the 18-105, the 56, and maybe the 20mm will be a net difference of only a couple hundred bucks. But as I consider getting the Ricoh GR a week or so ago, I start to realize that I use my gear less and less now, which I know is not gear related at all. There are times that I'll go 10-15 days between picking up my camera. Having crummy weather outside certainly doesn't help to motivate me to go outside.

I appreciate all the insight guys, it's nice to have people I can talk to and tell me that I'm crazy or that I'm thinking rationally. I am going to pickup the a6400 this weekend though and run it through it's paces. What I do have going for me is that I know what a capable camera the a7III and the 28-75 is and that at worst I can always fall back on it if desired.


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Mar 09, 2019 10:56 |  #26875

TMaG82 wrote in post #18825770 (external link)
Thanks for your insight, I really you taking the time to post. I’ve done the whole Fuji thing over and over before, I’m afflicted with GAS as bad as anyone in this thread. My attempts at trying to mesh with Fuji borders on what they might consider insane, you know doing the same over and over again and expecting different results. Fuji makes some great gear, I’ve owned 3 different X100 series (only skipped the original), had the XE2, X-Pro 2, and all three X-T’s. They work for a lot of people, just not for me. Their jpeg engine is certainly impressive but I was never a huge fan enough to say that they’re clearly better than anyone else. I am one who places AF speed and focus above most, to the point where I’d rather have an in focus, clear shot that might have slightly less detail or worse jpeg, than the reverse.

One of the biggest advantages of FF to me is cleaner high iso performance, but digesting my stats from 2018, it appears that I went over iso 6400 on less than 300 shots, and most of that was in a dark performance, otherwise I’m always at lower iso since I’m mostly in good to decent light.

I’ll most likely take your advice though and pickup a 6400 this week and one or two glass. Losing the Z battery would suck, but having had the 6000 series before I always had 3-4 extras.

I’ll admit part of this might just be me coming to the gripes that this is all a hobby for me. My wife did something similar. She built up a huge collection of designer handbags since we got married. Then we had kids and her purchases started to slow down. Then we bought a house and she stopped spending money on her wants and put it back into the house. Then we had a time when we were down to 1 income for about 2 weeks. Despite me telling her that everything would be fine and that’s what we have a decent enough emergency fund and savings for, she went ahead and sold off like 90% of her bags and only kept 1-2. I had no idea how many she had, to me they all looked the same, but she ended up getting in the 5 figures for them. Her rationale is that they no longer gave her joy to carry, they were collecting dust in the closet since instead of going out on date nights together now we’re going to family nights at Chili’s, lol. Call it a midlife crisis or just seeing your spouse go through and big purge, but it could be what’s motivating me to do this, but I’m seriously thinking that a single a6400, 35 1.8 and new Sigma 56 1.4 would cover my bases.

GAS?whats that? :)


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Mar 09, 2019 11:09 |  #26876

TMaG82 wrote in post #18825875 (external link)
It's a mix between size/weight/portabilit​y, but also wanting the super AF. Don't get me wrong, the a7III is a great kit and I love the 28-75 2.8 more than the GM I used to have as well. With my older daughter turning 6 and her wanting to get more into outdoor activities, being able to carry a smaller 6400, capture a few snapshots, but also have acceptable quality is a middle ground that I'm trying to find.

I appreciate all the insight guys, it's nice to have people I can talk to and tell me that I'm crazy or that I'm thinking rationally. I am going to pickup the a6400 this weekend though and run it through it's paces. What I do have going for me is that I know what a capable camera the a7III and the 28-75 is and that at worst I can always fall back on it if desired.

Now that ^^ makes more sense as a reason to swap over.

When you are talking outdoor activities & APS-c there's only one person in this thread to take some inspiration from & that's Cory ;)

Do you have to sell the A7iii/Tamron first? I managed to try Fuji a year or to ago by buying used - I then sold it all on about a month later :) :rolleyes: :lol:

It is true though that it isn't about what gear. Or the latest gear. Or the most gear. It's about how much you enjoy using the gear & if it works for you.


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Mar 09, 2019 11:18 |  #26877

TMaG82 wrote in post #18825875 (external link)
Thanks for your insight in this. I appreciate you taking the time. I've run the whole circle when it comes to gear, starting from my first mirrorless, the NEX-6 to m4/3, to FF, to even trying a GFX for about a week to see what all the buzz is about. It could be just my emotions coming from the NEX-6 since it was my first real camera that I took serious and that I put around 40,000 shots through of my first months with my wife to the birth of my oldest daughter, to our first real family trips. I took about half of those pictures with just the NEX-6 and the 24mm 1.8. I look back at those photos with the fondest of memories, but then again it could've been taken with a potato and I probably would've been fine with it. I see memories and not shallow DoF or ISO noise, I just think that I'm starting to get to a point where there are diminishing returns when it comes to gear. Sure it would be nice to save a few bucks here and there, but we all know that between buying gear, selling gear, trying new gear out that it's a end loss. I'm starting to get more and more into video lately, not film making by any means, just documenting more family events/moment with video and the old 18-105 that I used with my 6500 was a great lens for the power zoom, the parafocal nature, and just the overall range, so that'd be one of the lenses that I pickup. I'm pricing out a 18-105, a 56 1.4, and the pancake 20mm f/2.8, then I could hold off on the Ricoh GR possibly and go with a 20mm f/2.8 as my ultra small setup, the 56 for portraits of the kids, and the 18-105 for the rest of walking around.

It's a mix between size/weight/portabilit​y, but also wanting the super AF. Don't get me wrong, the a7III is a great kit and I love the 28-75 2.8 more than the GM I used to have as well. With my older daughter turning 6 and her wanting to get more into outdoor activities, being able to carry a smaller 6400, capture a few snapshots, but also have acceptable quality is a middle ground that I'm trying to find.

Definitely, it can get crazy. Going through a situation where we were down to 1 income, even if it lasted only 10 days, was an eye opener for my wife. I had no doubt that it would not last at all, but for her she decided to go into survival mode. I don't think this potential move is motivated much by finances, at the end of the day the difference between selling an a7III and Tamron and buying the 6400, the 18-105, the 56, and maybe the 20mm will be a net difference of only a couple hundred bucks. But as I consider getting the Ricoh GR a week or so ago, I start to realize that I use my gear less and less now, which I know is not gear related at all. There are times that I'll go 10-15 days between picking up my camera. Having crummy weather outside certainly doesn't help to motivate me to go outside.

I appreciate all the insight guys, it's nice to have people I can talk to and tell me that I'm crazy or that I'm thinking rationally. I am going to pickup the a6400 this weekend though and run it through it's paces. What I do have going for me is that I know what a capable camera the a7III and the 28-75 is and that at worst I can always fall back on it if desired.

Sounds like a great kit!
I look forward to hearing your impressions of the a6400!


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Mar 09, 2019 11:20 |  #26878

Speaking of GAS I just snagged a new-in-the-box Loxia 85mm on FM to complete my little landscape kit (CV 12, Loxias 21, 35, & 85)!

Now my quandary: sell the Batis 85mm? It would offset the cost of the Loxia 85. But, it’s such a nice lens I may hold on to it for a while and see if I feel the need to keep it.


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Thanks for your insight, I really you taking the time to post. I’ve done the whole Fuji thing over and over before, I’m afflicted with GAS as bad as anyone in this thread. My attempts at trying to mesh with Fuji borders on what they might consider insane, you know doing the same over and over again and expecting different results. Fuji makes some great gear, I’ve owned 3 different X100 series (only skipped the original), had the XE2, X-Pro 2, and all three X-T’s. They work for a lot of people, just not for me. Their jpeg engine is certainly impressive but I was never a huge fan enough to say that they’re clearly better than anyone else. I am one who places AF speed and focus above most, to the point where I’d rather have an in focus, clear shot that might have slightly less detail or worse jpeg, than the reverse.

One of the biggest advantages of FF to me is cleaner high iso performance, but digesting my stats from 2018, it appears that I went over iso 6400 on less than 300 shots, and most of that was in a dark performance, otherwise I’m always at lower iso since I’m mostly in good to decent light.

I’ll most likely take your advice though and pickup a 6400 this week and one or two glass. Losing the Z battery would suck, but having had the 6000 series before I always had 3-4 extras.

I’ll admit part of this might just be me coming to the gripes that this is all a hobby for me. My wife did something similar. She built up a huge collection of designer handbags since we got married. Then we had kids and her purchases started to slow down. Then we bought a house and she stopped spending money on her wants and put it back into the house. Then we had a time when we were down to 1 income for about 2 weeks. Despite me telling her that everything would be fine and that’s what we have a decent enough emergency fund and savings for, she went ahead and sold off like 90% of her bags and only kept 1-2. I had no idea how many she had, to me they all looked the same, but she ended up getting in the 5 figures for them. Her rationale is that they no longer gave her joy to carry, they were collecting dust in the closet since instead of going out on date nights together now we’re going to family nights at Chili’s, lol. Call it a midlife crisis or just seeing your spouse go through and big purge, but it could be what’s motivating me to do this, but I’m seriously thinking that a single a6400, 35 1.8 and new Sigma 56 1.4 would cover my bases.

I can totally see your mind methodically thinking!!!

I do hired events but now I've declined so much work as I'd just rather spend time with my young family. Take Idsurfer's reply as great advice.

Currently you are already there with silly amazing performance from the A73 and Tamron 28-75mm combo. I totally agree how low light performance is extremely important......especia​lly for family snapshot documentation. I do have plenty of RAW files that have fallen apart from my Fuji x-t2 while my 5dmk4 or A73 with fast glass just breaks away from that stomach turning "I shoulda reached for my FF instead". Not starting a debate but this is why I just have been grabbing my A73 lately for almost all of my personal/casual/vidoe/ photography needs. The Fuji has been collecting dust but I do enjoy shooting Fuji when i'm in good light. Selling camera gear is a big hit especially in the Fuji world and in that case I'll give my Fuji kit to my 9 and 12yrs old daughters to learn/play with.

You currently have a great versatile combo. Purchase even a 50 f/1.8, 85 f/1.8 and you have a potent range to shoot with. If you buy 2 more lenses you are already there in your "desired" lenses to cover your bases. You sound very keen on "output" of a camera system. Let me remind you that your eyes have been spoiled with the A73 in sensor performance and body features (there I said it LOL!!!)

When Canon EOS FF mirrorless takes of in "Sony" level my G.A.S. will be going for a full Canon mirrorless setup. Price of RF glass will be a wallet destroyer just like Sony.

As a hobbyist you should just smile as the only pressure you have is to meet your high level of personal needs and requirements. You will enjoy your product in the images of your family and chosen subject manner. Being a hobbyist purchasing gear can be one of the most enjoyable parts of a "HOBBY". Just have fun and dump what you do not like. When I decline jobs it's been the most enjoyable change in how I approach photography now. I choose what I choose and on my own terms. In your case if you do not like the A6400 you can at least say you've been there, done that....sell it if you are not pleased with it. I bet you'd have alot of fun playing with new hardware :)


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