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Sep 12, 2019 18:53 |  #32746

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Considering the higher MP I would have not expected better noise and at best par but the article does sort of say that.

Imaging-resource doesn’t equalize the print sizes, so it was difficult to judge whether the Sony A7riv images were really truly noisier.

but the difference between the Sony A7riii and Sony A7riv is pretty minor in my opinion.





Now, let’s start looking at what happens to noise at high ISO raw files:
Comparison of full size crops of Sony A7r4, Sony A7r3, Sony A7iii and Canon R, ISO 512000

The Sony A7riv is clearly the noisiest of the four cameras, but it’s also the most enlarged image. What happens when we downsize all the cameras to the equivalent of the Sony A7iii?
Downsized comparisons at ISO 512000 of Sony A7riv, Sony A7riii, Sony A7iii and Canon R

They are all now pretty close. To my eye, the Canon R looks the worst. The Sony A7iii and Sony A7riii look about the same. But the Sony A7riv looks a bit worse than the other two Sony cameras, especially with color noise in the blacks.

Some preliminary conclusions pending my own testing and confirmation:

At ISO 6400, all 3 Sony cameras look good, they are all slightly better than the Canon R, which is starting to show noise
At ISO 12,800, the Sony A7riv starts to show a bit more noise than the A7riii and A7iii, but not as bad as the Canon R. Differences are minor.
At ISO 25,600-51,200, the Sony A7riv looks much worse than the Sony A7riii and Sony A7iii, though still not as bad as the Canon R.
At maximum ISO, 102,000, the Sony A7riv looks really bad, just as bad as the Canon R. While the Sony A7riii and Sony A7iii looks better.

What Does it Mean for the User?

These noise differences at high ISO are truly not that significant. But it appears the user or prospective buyer should be aware that the high ISO image quality on the Sony A7riv may be a small step below the A7riii and Sony A7iii. At the same time, the gain in resolution from 42mp to 61mp is also realistically only a small step, in practicality. So you are possibly trading a small loss in high ISO image quality for a small gain in resolution.

If you routinely shoot at high ISO (over 12,800), then you might not want to upgrade to the Sony A7riv solely for the resolution. (Though you may have other reasons for wanting to upgrade). If you mostly shoot at lower ISO, then you are likely to appreciate the higher resolution without any image quality downside.

This is new territory for me. I've been wanting more resolution but never pulled the trigger on an A7r3. Now that the A7r4 is out and I've tested it I was very impressed with the A9 AF performance.

Do you see a colour difference between your previous Sony bodies. It's been discussed that the A73 colour science looks different compared to the A9. Just wondering if the new A7r4 has a similar looking colour science.

I'm curious if many here shoot the A7R series for family documentation or allocate this body series to non event work (food, studio, landscape) work only.

I just look at the A9mk2 in the price range of about 6800 CDN after tax.I'm just looking at the A7r4 as a nice A9 AF package with high res.

I have my name on an A7r4 at the "candy store" but don feel like driving after work in the rain today dealing with back to school traffic..I will decide if I will buy it tomorrow. My A73 have been fantastic for my automotive/run gun photography. As I mentioned before having a high res is very new to me. My 5dmk4 is only 30MP so it's in a sweet spot for MP but I just wonder how the sony will perform in the IQ department.

This is the most indecisive process I've ever experienced in the history of owning camera gear. 61 MP just is a lot for my workflow but this is where I know I'll appreciate extra mega pixels for a hobby camera. hmmmmmmm

Test driving the A7r4 I was really impressed. Just not sure what to expect having hundreds of files that are full res 61mp though....


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Sep 12, 2019 19:30 |  #32747

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This is new territory for me. I've been wanting more resolution but never pulled the trigger on an A7r3. Now that the A7r4 is out and I've tested it I was very impressed with the A9 AF performance.

Do you see a colour difference between your previous Sony bodies. It's been discussed that the A73 colour science looks different compared to the A9. Just wondering if the new A7r4 has a similar looking colour science.

I'm curious if many here shoot the A7R series for family documentation or allocate this body series to non event work (food, studio, landscape) work only.

I just look at the A9mk2 in the price range of about 6800 CDN after tax.I'm just looking at the A7r4 as a nice A9 AF package with high res.

I have my name on an A7r4 at the "candy store" but don feel like driving after work in the rain today dealing with back to school traffic..I will decide if I will buy it tomorrow. My A73 have been fantastic for my automotive/run gun photography. As I mentioned before having a high res is very new to me. My 5dmk4 is only 30MP so it's in a sweet spot for MP but I just wonder how the sony will perform in the IQ department.

This is the most indecisive process I've ever experienced in the history of owning camera gear. 61 MP just is a lot for my workflow but this is where I know I'll appreciate extra mega pixels for a hobby camera. hmmmmmmm

Test driving the A7r4 I was really impressed. Just not sure what to expect having hundreds of files that are full res 61mp though....

the jump to the A7R2 was a hit on my hard drives for sure...its hard to compare, since I started shooting a lot more around the time I got the Sony...but I went from a 5D2 to the R2 and the resolution jump was huge and welcomed...if I had the scratch laying around, or the means...I would be on the list for the r4...I would love that kind of resolution.


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Sep 12, 2019 19:32 |  #32748

Speaking of resolution...the textures that are visible throughout a high resolution image blow me away still...and this was shot with an adapted lens...that I am supposed to be selling...may be hard pressed...

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I might have to take a break from these images...starting to all look the same and I am already on to wanting something new...it is a serious addiction...

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Sep 12, 2019 19:50 |  #32749

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Speaking of resolution...the textures that are visible throughout a high resolution image blow me away still...and this was shot with an adapted lens...that I am supposed to be selling...may be hard pressed...

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I might have to take a break from these images...starting to all look the same and I am already on to wanting something new...it is a serious addiction...

Very "Wind in the Willows" looking scene. I expect to see Mr. Toad and friends at any moment now. :-)


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Sep 12, 2019 19:51 |  #32750

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Very "Wind in the Willows" looking scene. I expect to see Mr. Toad and friends at any moment now. :-)

I will have to look up that reference...


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Sep 12, 2019 21:08 |  #32751

Any Jeep Wrangler experts here? I’m planning to trade in my Prius for one since I’ll be moving up to Denver soon. I’ve always wanted a Jeep. I found a 2015 Rubicon with 50k miles for right under $30k and a 2015 Sahara with 43k miles for $28k. What do you guys think? Not sure how much I’ll be into off-roading but having a capable Jeep to take me into the mountains and some trails to reach a photo spot or trail head will be the goal.


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Sep 12, 2019 21:41 |  #32752

TRhoads wrote in post #18925856 (external link)
the jump to the A7R2 was a hit on my hard drives for sure...its hard to compare, since I started shooting a lot more around the time I got the Sony...but I went from a 5D2 to the R2 and the resolution jump was huge and welcomed...if I had the scratch laying around, or the means...I would be on the list for the r4...I would love that kind of resolution.

I typically use my 16-35. I'm contemplating on using crop mode and use 24-52.5mm. I will also shoot my 24 prime as a "35mm" prime. The attraction to using my Sigma 105 f/1.4 and 70-200 in crop mode is also appealing for extra reach at 26MP for events with no penalty in losing light.

I've never had a high MP camera before. The main attraction is the A9 AF in a high res body. I still have my pair of A73 bodies too for easier bulk processing.

My name is tagged on an A7r4 but still analyzing my options.


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Sep 12, 2019 22:01 |  #32753

digital_AM wrote in post #18925887 (external link)
Any Jeep Wrangler experts here? I’m planning to trade in my Prius for one since I’ll be moving up to Denver soon. I’ve always wanted a Jeep. I found a 2015 Rubicon with 50k miles for right under $30k and a 2015 Sahara with 43k miles for $28k. What do you guys think? Not sure how much I’ll be into off-roading but having a capable Jeep to take me into the mountains and some trails to reach a photo spot or trail head will be the goal.

Jeeps look so cool imo. :)

For fun I subscribe to this entertaining mechanic’s channel on YT. He claims that since Jeep got sold off to Fiat that they’re now very poorly made vehicles.

https://youtu.be/egWnI​Kuf0Kc (external link)

He raves about Toyota 4runners though:

https://youtu.be/rpQUC​7ofVUc (external link)

BTW, whenever I make my move I expect to also move to a higher clearance vehicle like that...I fear the topes on Mexican roads would murder my Prius. :eek:


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Sep 12, 2019 22:10 |  #32754

David Arbogast wrote in post #18925901 (external link)
For fun I subscribe to this entertaining mechanic’s channel on YT. He claims that since Jeep got sold off to Fiat that they’re now very poorly made vehicles.

As a former autotech working/operating a shop with my brother I was never impressed with the jeep. The U joints wore out like there's no tomorrow even with upgraded "heavy duty" versions. This is talking about city dwellers getting groceries too!!!!!!!!!! dying fuel pumps, timing chains guides creating slack....you name it they were $$$ up keep. I would never buy a Jeep product. I'd rather drive Honda pilot for mild gravel roads with incredible reliability

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He raves about Toyota 4runners though:

Depending on what year the older ones were gutless. The newer generation 4 runners are $$$ and hold up well. The FJ cruisers were not perfect but definitely a decent ride for being somewhat robust with reliability but heavy on gas.

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BTW, whenever I make my move I expect to also move to a higher clearance vehicle like that...the topes on Mexican roads would murder my Prius. :eek:


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Sep 12, 2019 22:11 |  #32755

digital_AM wrote in post #18925887 (external link)
Any Jeep Wrangler experts here? I’m planning to trade in my Prius for one since I’ll be moving up to Denver soon. I’ve always wanted a Jeep. I found a 2015 Rubicon with 50k miles for right under $30k and a 2015 Sahara with 43k miles for $28k. What do you guys think? Not sure how much I’ll be into off-roading but having a capable Jeep to take me into the mountains and some trails to reach a photo spot or trail head will be the goal.


Unless you want to rock climb you dont need the rubi. The only difference is lockable differentials and electronic disconnect sway bars. My 2014 Polar Ice is actually a Shahara with rear locker and I didnt use it or need to disconnect sway bars to do canyonlands and moab.

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Sep 12, 2019 22:28 |  #32756

I literally had 20 minutes today to shoot. I was waiting for a conference call and pulled over at a place called "Arizona Falls" which is part of our canal system that runs thru town.

File size is as expected 60k for the raws. I am working on an antique laptop with 12g ram and an I5 processor it was slow with the R2 and I will say only slightly slower with these files in lightroom.

Big difference is that I am not adding as much adjustment about half of most adjustments so if i added say +30 of clarity +15 was good enough and I didnt play too much with color so I didnt spend as much time working on the files. Not near as bad as I thought it would be.

So quick shots with nothing to offer for you to analyze.

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Sep 12, 2019 22:33 |  #32757

The sunsets have been great the last few nights. I went out tonight and it was a dud so I aimed the camera at these rocks instead.

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Sep 12, 2019 22:36 |  #32758

AngelofDepth wrote in post #18925914 (external link)
The sunsets have been great the last few nights. I went out tonight and it was a dud so I aimed the camera at these rocks instead.

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Sep 12, 2019 23:35 |  #32759

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I like rocks

Me too, I have a fascination with rocky landscapes.


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Sep 12, 2019 23:44 |  #32760

I always enjoyed owning my 1969 Jeep CJ5 with the Dauntless V6 engine. But, I realized it was a toy that I towed behind my small motorhome to go off-roading with or to take the top down and go for a ride on a sunny weekend. I would not have wanted to use it as a daily driver to be sure.

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