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Jan 16, 2020 18:47 |  #36526

This AF issue is a perfect example of photographers relying on tech too much.

Going oldschool and using my mirrored Canon bodies I just get the shot and complain very little. However in some cases if fast moving subjects are running, the eye AF can land more AF-C shots.

For portrait work I recall risky shallow dof photos with my clunky 85L would grab bangs/hair instead of the eyes. This is the margin of error going for brave shots shooting f/1.2 to f/1.4. Sony is a techie device aka as a camera. It does a great job at performing what it's been designed to do.

The primitive focus/recompose method has worked incredibly well for my Canon system. Relearning the sony AF-C has been a change that can rely too much on eye AF. Possibly using AF-C and literally locking on where you want and using focus hold may produce more reliable results for slower moving subjects. On the flip side having eye AF and a tonne of luxury time for composing human subjects you can use eye af with little issues.


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Jan 16, 2020 18:52 |  #36527

I have my A73 set so that the exposure lock has dedicated Eye AF function. This is purely because I find in flexible spot, you need the box to be on the persons face for it to work. Whereas in wide, it will detect the face/eye regardless.

So if I am using Wide focus area, I do the standard AF On button for real time Eye AF.

If I am shooting in flexible spot, I use my dedicated custom function button for Eye AF as it will work regardless of where the point is.


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Jan 16, 2020 20:41 |  #36528

bobbyz wrote in post #18993116 (external link)
You mean dedicated button for eye AF. So pressing it always engage eye AF. What focus area you use? You mind sharing settings of your camera if and when you have some free time. Thanks in advance.

Yeah I have the dedicated eye Af mapped to the "AF-ON" button and the regular AF mapped to the AE-L button. I switch between the two buttons depending on the situation

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But I though A7rIV has this real time tracking so I shouldn't need to have a dedicated button for eye-AF. I see eye-AF green square showing up perfectly on the eyes. I can switch Left/Right eye with AEL button but the resulting shots are just not as good as Fuji. To me if camera nailed eye AF, I should have very nice focused eyes. It can not be the MPs as I am used to GFX50s giving me super sharp results at f1.6 (FF equivalent) using contrast based face detect.

Edited:- I will test more, just need better weather and some time on the weekend. I can see what you guys saying could be happening. The green ||[]|| is on the chest, then I see small green on the eyes but it seems focus is on the chest not the eyes. So far I have Sony 85mm f1.8, Sigma 105mm f1.4 and now tamron 28-75mm. It can't be the lens. Either me or some setting. I like customization but man Fuji's implementation is much simpler. I only select face/eye detect ON and that's it.

Yeah the "issue" with real time tracking is that it jumps off the eyes too quickly in order to keep from failing to focus and while this is great for documentary purposes because you're less likely to miss key moments if things are moving, you do lose the AF precision because the AF system is not exclusively focusing on the eyes.

I also think that for slower lenses, the AF point moves faster than the actual focal plane moves so you get a false confirmations when the AF system is jumping from the eye, to the body, to the face, etc depending on what it can detect at a given point. This is something I am mindful of with the 85GM.

So its a horses for courses type situation.

It's sort of like toggling between "focus priority" and "release priority". Dedicated eye-AF has greater precision because it will only focus on the eyes, but you risk missing something the focus system failing when it can't find an eye. Live tracking ensures that the focus system follows your subject well enough to get a shot if things are moving, but you give up that consistent focus on the eyes.


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Jan 16, 2020 21:39 |  #36529

Thanks. I will run some more tests over the weekend. I am also hearing that I should switch focus area to wide. I will also try that option.


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Jan 16, 2020 23:34 |  #36530

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Jan 17, 2020 00:07 |  #36531

Looks so familiar, Dan ;-)a


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Jan 17, 2020 00:31 |  #36532

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Looks so familiar, Dan ;-)a

Haha yes this is where I took you that day and we took the photo together :D


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Jan 17, 2020 02:04 |  #36533

One of those days just taking my mind off of things :)

I wanted a total chill dreamy vast soundstage so I pulled out one of my favourite vacuum tube combos.

The room ambiance filled with Mercury blue vapour rectifier tubes feeding my 6L6 smoked coke bottle Digital to Analog converter.........

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Jan 17, 2020 02:33 |  #36534

AlanU wrote in post #18993353 (external link)
One of those days just taking my mind off of things :)

I wanted a total chill dreamy vast soundstage so I pulled out one of my favourite vacuum tube combos.

The room ambiance filled with Mercury blue vapour rectifier tubes feeding my 6L6 smoked coke bottle Digital to Analog converter.........


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I’m scared to google what all that means in case I end up down an audio rabbit hole that I can’t get out of without splashing cash :D


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Jan 17, 2020 07:20 |  #36535

Another from the trip to Conowingo.

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Jan 17, 2020 08:16 |  #36536

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Another from the trip to Conowingo.

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Jan 17, 2020 08:24 |  #36537

Focus question. I have looked through the manual and see nothing to help me solve this.

I use (or attempt to) small Flexible spot on the a9. For whatever reason, it will not do anything when I attempt to focus in that setting. This is in either normal or tracking mode.
Some settings: mode=Manual, Focus Area Limit=on, Top dial, AF-S or AF-C doesn't matter.

All other focus methods enabled in Focus Area Limit work.

I think it must be a setting but can't figure out which one.

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Jan 17, 2020 08:58 |  #36538

Hi Bill
seems odd can't think what that could be but have you tried back button focus and half press -same result ?
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Jan 17, 2020 09:19 |  #36539

GyRob wrote in post #18993451 (external link)
Hi Bill
seems odd can't think what that could be but have you tried back button focus and half press -same result ?
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Rob, yes I use AF-On back button for standard/static shots and I use AEL for Recall Custom Hold 1 which is my BIF focus. I haven't tried half-press since I disabled that function in the beginning.

Edit: I enabled focus on shutter and it works there. I really thought it had worked without using half-press before. Perhaps it's different on the R3?


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Jan 17, 2020 12:20 |  #36540

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #18993423 (external link)
Another from the trip to Conowingo.

Beautiful shot. I am heading back up to the Klamath Basin next week to go looking for eagles. Meanwhile, I like the way this four legged critter shot came out.

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