Sony Lounge Thread MKIII (All Sony cameras welcome)

Thanks for the kind words guys. Yes the definition of the football/rugby broke bugs me more than the shape... Very well defined but that's the gearhead in me speaking... Not the photographer.

No fast primes have perfect round bokeh wide open. They're usually round stopped down about a stop or so

35mm FOV this time.

Whenever I shoot environmental portraits and there are dominant structures like this is the frame, I think of the commentary of the architecture guys. I try to watch my verticals, and make sure to do whatever perspective corrections need to be done in post. Definitely makes for cleaner compositions.

mystik610 wrote in post #18515483
Thanks for the kind words guys. Yes the definition of the football/rugby broke bugs me more than the shape... Very well defined but that's the gearhead in me speaking... Not the photographer.

No fast primes have perfect round bokeh wide open. They're usually round stopped down about a stop or so

some have it much worse than others. I was reading on the issue, and Fred of FM, says to some extent, the more the vignetting, the more it can happen or something like that. Sigma vignettes very little, and the cat eyes arent very catty. My mitakon was WAY worse, hence I sold it. FE 85 has plenty.

I think there are only a few lenses that dont have too much catniss, I dont recall the GM or rokinon 85 having much. It could be that I havent shot enough to hit it with those lenses. All of my lenses have catty bokeh, but to an acceptable degree.

Charlie wrote in post #18515498
some have it much worse than others. I was reading on the issue, and Fred of FM, says to some extent, the more the vignetting, the more it can happen or something like that. Sigma vignettes very little, and the cat eyes arent very catty. My mitakon was WAY worse, hence I sold it. FE 85 has plenty.

I think there are only a few lenses that dont have too much catniss, I dont recall the GM or rokinon 85 having much. It could be that I havent shot enough to hit it with those lenses. All of my lenses have catty bokeh, but to an acceptable degree.

85 GM has cats eye bokeh wide open too...whenever I want round bokeh balls on that lens I stop it down to f2. The thing about the GM is that bokeh balls are rendered very softly so they don't draw much attention to themselves.

I think for perfectly round bokeh balls, STF lenses are the way to go.

Charlie wrote in post #18515355
the football could be worse, nothing is really GM level, you're just going to need to accept that

as far as spamming goes, the reason I was at the pier was for the Christmas lights, similar to nadim's reasons on going out. The pier is decorated this time of year, and I've always wanted a festive shot of the pier during sunset, never done it ever. I was headed to the beach, extra early, 1.5 hours early, little did I know, there was a free concert going on with fireworks afterwards. All of the sudden, a 5-10 minute drive turns into 45 minutes. I ended up backtracking since traffic was so bad on the way there, I went to familiar territory, and parked at a life guard training center I frequented as a teen, turns out that was like the closest I could get anyhow. It's a mile away, and I wasnt prepped to walk that much, I was in sandals! Tried getting a Lyft, but the driver bailed, and second driver was at the wrong spot! however, the developing sunset was epic, so I ran that mile, full camera gear and all (FE 12-24, CY 35-70, FDn 200, filters, tripod). Glad I kept it light, but ran into other problems while shooting. I'm most certain my FDn 200 adapted DOES NOT hit infinity! What a time to find out, it got close enough that stopping down would cover, but what a way to find out, while I'm running, changing out lenses for a shot.....

anyhow, christmas lights, so much mist in the air that the photo is a little hazy, my lenses got sticky by the end of the night.

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Those colors! Freakin Epic Charlie.

mystik610 wrote in post #18515490
35mm FOV this time.

Whenever I shoot environmental portraits and there are dominant structures like this is the frame, I think of the commentary of the architecture guys. I try to watch my verticals, and make sure to do whatever perspective corrections need to be done in post. Definitely makes for cleaner compositions.

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have you tried C1's distortion correction? it's so good for that sort of thing. If you're not level and skewed up down, the last option does the full correction. Line up the lines and have it correct.

Charlie wrote in post #18515517
have you tried C1's distortion correction? it's so good for that sort of thing. If you're not level and skewed up down, the last option does the full correction. Line up the lines and have it correct.

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Oh nice. I need to give a try. I've been taking the file into PS and using the perspective corrections there.

Miranda1 wrote in post #18515480
Yeah I can see this type of bokeh with the Zeiss APO 135 aswell I don't think the Sigma is any worse that the Zeiss

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The Song 85 1.4 GM isn't immuned to it either based on this example over on another site.
https://www.dpreview.c​om/forums/thread/40436​51

mystik610 wrote in post #18515501
85 GM has cats eye bokeh wide open too...whenever I want round bokeh balls on that lens I stop it down to f2. The thing about the GM is that bokeh balls are rendered very softly so they don't draw much attention to themselves.

I think for perfectly round bokeh balls, STF lenses are the way to go.

I think it's very tame even not perfect.

You can see the GM compared here: http://www.verybiglobo​.com …omparative-lens-review/7/

it performs exceptionally well IMO, pretty confident that it does better than just about any large aperture lens out there.

mystik610 wrote in post #18515525
Oh nice. I need to give a try. I've been taking the file into PS and using the perspective corrections there.

C1 perspective correction/straighteni​ng > anything else I've tried. It's so easy that you can zoom in with the scroll to get precisely where you want. It's just odd doing it, since nothing out there behaves like that, it's so genius. You can start to see why I really love C1, these tools exist even if not very apparent. I use that keystone a ton for my landscapes as the bubble I use isnt perfect, human errors can be introduced, and sometimes I purposely tilt up or down with the intention of correcting later.

Charlie wrote in post #18515533
You can start to see why I really love C1, these tools exist even if not very apparent.

I'm starting to realize the same. The first thing that stood out to me was skin correction tool where you select the skin tones in the frame, which C1 will isolate so you can adjust them very specifically. Really nice.

I''l have to dig into the perspective correction tools in C1.

Generally C1 has come with a bit of a learning curve, but its paying off so far.

Charlie wrote in post #18515517
have you tried C1's distortion correction? it's so good for that sort of thing. If you're not level and skewed up down, the last option does the full correction. Line up the lines and have it correct.

mystik610 wrote in post #18515525
Oh nice. I need to give a try. I've been taking the file into PS and using the perspective corrections there.

I agree that C1 has an excellent tool for correcting perspective. Just beware that you have to change the slider from 80% to 100% for complete correction. Might seem obvious, but in my Elia Locardi Cityscape tutorial series (which is otherwise excellent) I watched him talk about the importance of getting perfect verticals, and then use C1 to make the correction, yet failed to move the slider from the default 80%.

BTW, not suggesting that the perspective should be set to 100%; just want to call attention to the unusual default setting in C1. 80% correction might be more than enough for a beautiful photo not designed for publication in an architecture/interior design periodical.

David Arbogast wrote in post #18515540
I agree that C1 has an excellent tool for correcting perspective. Just beware that you have to change the slider from 80% to 100% for complete correction. Might seem obvious, but in my Elia Locardi Cityscape tutorial series (which is otherwise excellent) I watched him talk about the importance of getting perfect verticals, and then use C1 to make the correction, yet failed to move the slider from the default 80%.

BTW, not suggesting that the perspective should be set to 100%; just want to call attention to the unusual default setting in C1. 80% correction might be more than enough for a beautiful photo not designed for publication in an architecture/interior design periodical.

thanks, will look into that. I tend to double check grid lines to see if distortion is indeed corrected or not, cant say I recalled a time when it wasnt, with the exception of some freehand stuff. I'll look into why 80% vs 100%. Possibly the algorithm on what's trashed/lost during correction? Other than that, really love the C1 corrections, darn near foolproof.

Charlie wrote in post #18515533
C1 perspective correction/straighteni​ng > anything else I've tried. It's so easy that you can zoom in with the scroll to get precisely where you want. It's just odd doing it, since nothing out there behaves like that, it's so genius. You can start to see why I really love C1, these tools exist even if not very apparent. I use that keystone a ton for my landscapes as the bubble I use isnt perfect, human errors can be introduced, and sometimes I purposely tilt up or down with the intention of correcting later.

Totally agree about C1.

DXO Viewpoint 3 is faster, more accurate, and much more powerful (has a cool wide angle distortion control), but you got to really be into architecture to buy a plugin just for perspective correction. If you have a camera/lens combo that DXO supports, then you can get a one-click automatic correction that is accurate, unlike acr/LR’s auto correct that fails more often than not.

In C1 if you edit a raw file and then in say 6 months time go back and look at that file again are the edits still there? Trying to get my head around how C1 operates without a Lightroom style catalogue.

I’ve always felt stuck with LR due to the catalogue but was thinking there what is it about it I feel I can’t live without? One thing is that I can go back to previous files and don’t have to start from scratch again on the edit but can’t think of much beyond that. The file structure I can control manually so that’s not a major issue.

mystik610 wrote in post #18515535
I'm starting to realize the same. The first thing that stood out to me was skin correction tool where you select the skin tones in the frame, which C1 will isolate so you can adjust them very specifically. Really nice.

I''l have to dig into the perspective correction tools in C1.

Generally C1 has come with a bit of a learning curve, but its paying off so far.

DOn't forget you can set WB by skin tone too.
The only think C1 lacks for me are lens profiles, but after downloading PTlens I think I'll manage.