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Jun 11, 2017 21:17 |  #16

I'm still using Topaz Noiseware, does the job for my RAWs.

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Jun 11, 2017 21:24 |  #17

Archibald wrote in post #18376278 (external link)
I suspect I could get more out of LR noise removal and sharpening if I watched a YouTube or two on it. I generally only use the Amount and Luminance sliders, ignoring Radius, Detail and Contrast.

Here is a before and after. Best I could do in LR. (These are heavy crops.)

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Could Nik or DeNoise do better?

EDIT: I have read and watched and experimented to learn LR noise reduction and sharpening, several times, but still find it hard to apply.

Post the raw somewhere, or email it to me. I'd like to try my hand at this one. schriefer.thomas.a@out​look.com




  
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Jun 11, 2017 22:08 as a reply to  @ Bassat's post |  #18

Thanks for the offer .. let me think about it. :-)


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Jun 12, 2017 15:41 |  #19

I have both Topaz and NIK and eventually stopped using them and just stuck with LR/ACR. My wife, friends and POTN members have yet to complain about images that may have noise that I post. Large posters, critical clients, etc then maybe I'd look into it again. Adobe does a very good job.


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Jun 12, 2017 16:35 |  #20

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I have both Topaz and NIK and eventually stopped using them and just stuck with LR/ACR. My wife, friends and POTN members have yet to complain about images that may have noise that I post. Large posters, critical clients, etc then maybe I'd look into it again. Adobe does a very good job.

So far LR is okay for me too.

Dunno for sure, but I'm thinking if you spend bucks on Topaz or such, you are likely to devote the time to learn how to use it and that will improve the results you get. We tend not to put similar effort learning this in LR, but if we did, we might reap similar benefits.


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Jun 12, 2017 16:43 |  #21

Imagenomic Noiseware.

I use it as the last step (after sharpening too), to better control the final look.




  
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Imagenomic Noiseware.

I use it as the last step (after sharpening too), to better control the final look.

Is it better than LR (same effort being applied)?


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Jun 12, 2017 16:56 |  #23

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Is it better than LR (same effort being applied)?

Couldn't say - I don't use LR.




  
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Jun 12, 2017 17:26 |  #24

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So far LR is okay for me too.

Dunno for sure, but I'm thinking if you spend bucks on Topaz or such, you are likely to devote the time to learn how to use it and that will improve the results you get. We tend not to put similar effort learning this in LR, but if we did, we might reap similar benefits.

I found 3rd party was taking over too much and my own fault not learning how to tame it. 3rd party may do some things better but I have not found the extra steps are worth it to me.

Not much to LR. ISO 12,800 on my original 7D. No NR. Colour set to 0 as the default is 25. Always do this at 100%

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Add colour noise until blotchiness goes away. Going any further does add and will change Hue. Default of 25 is usually good I have found.

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Add Luminance to taste. Careful not to overcook as it effect sharpness.

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Also depending on level of noise be careful not to over sharpen in the detail tab as that will just aggravate it.

The keep the detail slider under 50 as it looks after halo suppression. Over 50 goes into deconvolution but you lose halo suppression. Here the default of 25 is pretty good for starts. When there is no noise my default is 75.

Then the good old masking slider which is pretty much worth it's weight in gold. Masks out sharpening of existing noise. Press Option (mac, not sure about PC) and you can see what is being masked out and to what degree you want the edges sharpened. Actually the option button works on more sliders.

Then LR's output sharpening. Developed for Adobe by the PixelGenius group so I bet there is a lot going on in the background we don't know about. Some form edge sharpening as well is my guess. The late Bruce Fraser who basically invented the 3 phases of sharpening was a member of that group. I recently learned the group also had input the detail tab as well.

Not trying to plug LR's NR and output but after researching and learning more about it I decided to explore and work with it. It did take 2 free trials and about a year to warm up to it because unlike CS6 and others I had trouble adjusting to not seeing results of export sharpening until it was exported.

I'm probably just lazy but over time I just found it is easier to work under one roof. Especially when I editing hundreds of files. Much easier for hobby shots.

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Jun 12, 2017 19:17 |  #25

Using Noiseware as a base, along with several other techniques and filters, I have built a post processing library of various actions for Photoshop.

For example, this ISO 20000 concert shot from the stands, with a 100% crop of Lauren Daigle, showing what one of my 5D3 actions will actually do on a 5D4 high ISO shot. Just pull the photo in, select the correct filter/action and execute. Easy, peasy, and I run these actions in bulk on my files, I rarely take files through and singularly process them for noise any longer.

After on the left, before on the right for the 100% crop... Could it be better? Sure but that means I spend more time in post processing and less time shooting.


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Final product, time spent in the crop of the post-processed image...


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Jun 12, 2017 19:42 |  #27

Sometimes the images don't need much, but I have less aggressive actions to run on those. This was at 25600... Again left after, right before...


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Correct exposure is what it is all about.


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Jun 14, 2017 08:49 |  #29

Topaz works the best for us.


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Jun 14, 2017 19:19 |  #30

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I am pretty sure that having two different bottles from AB aka Budweiser aka InBev disqualifies one from that title.

Sorry. I have to shoot stuff with labels on it. My wife's home-brew just goes into plain brown bottles. Tasty, but not really photogenic.




  
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