6D mark ii thread

shane_c wrote in post #18385112
Mainly interested in the AF tracking and F8 focus ability. I shoot a mix of everything (except people). For BIF for example the 80D would likely be better given that it has the 1.6 crop factor. But for landscape shots the 6D2 might be the better of the two. That's about it really. Either would be a huge step up from my 60D.

Crop factor doesn't come into play with AF or f/8 AF. The 80D has pixel density over the 6DII, the 6D would have to have over 60Mpx to meet that pixel density. The 6D2 cropped to APS-C yields a 50D-esque resolution image.

Teamspeed (or any of the experts) sorry for singling you out, just respect your input so much.

Can you explain the reasoning for crippling the shutter speed to 1/4000?

Coming from a 5diii. The lack a joystick bothers me but I think I could overcome that. The dual card slots is a much bigger deal. I have already had a sdcard fail in my 5diii. But I really dont understand why the limit the shutter speed when even crop camera's like 70D/80D can even do 1/8000 yet a camera costing MUCH more wont have.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18385110
What does the digic have to do with the higher ISO data,

My question is whether or not the Digic 7 would process the data faster than the 6. Generally with each gen of Digic they've gotten faster with the processing. I'm assuming the files sizes between a 24MP and a 26MP sensor would be relatively close. Knowing that there's more data with higher ISO files, will the digic 7 be able to move that larger file size faster to keep the FPS at top speed....6.5 before starting to slow basically negating the benefit of the 80D 7FPS as you push up into the higher ISOs.

That's what I was asking.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18385093
Here is the list I came up with personally when deciding whether to get the 5D4 when I sold my 5D3. The importance of any one of these is all subjective, so what one considers to be of little consequence, somebody else might like it. What is the list for the 6D vs 6D2?

The ones in bold were the ones that interested me most and made the upgrade well worth it.

- New higher DR sensor
- Higher native ISO range
- Really Low light AF
- DPAF in live view
- 4K video
- Better ISO performance
- Faster SD slot
- New processor
- Dual Pixel Raw
- WiFi/NFC
- Intervalometer
- Better AF system, faster, f/8 AF on more points
- Higher burst shooting, larger buffer
- Upgraded LCD
- Fully working touch screen
- Brand-new metering system
- New silent modes
- HDR movie mode
- GPS
- Anti-Flicker
- USB3
- 36% more resolution
- New dedicated AF area button

I havent looked at all the specs, but the 6D had 11 point, 1 cross vs 45 cross.... that's a gigantic leap, and that alone probably supercedes all of the 5D3 -> 5D4 upgrades.

flippy screen and probably many on that list are on the 6D as well. IMO, flippy screen + dpaf = HUGE. I cant imagine going back to a camera that cant shoot ground level or overhead confidently, it's so handy. I dont mean to bring in politics, but did you see the viral photo of comey when he was interviewed? Overhead shot from a really tall monopod.... it was incredible in terms of photography. You can probably do without a flippy screen, but it would be very difficult. Ground level shots for swimming competition or wildlife or creative shooting?

the rest of the features are just icing, but not core features if I were looking for an upgrade.

not saying the 6Dii is a better camera than 5Div, but the upgrades look quite a bit more, and if I was a 6D user, looking to upgrade to 6Dii, there's a ton of value for the upgrade. Canon got smart this time and didnt make the sensor better on the 6D, but I think it's a blunder not having a flip screen on the 5Div while having it on the 6Dii. They must think that's some sort of amateur feature....

Charlie wrote in post #18385155
but I think it's a blunder not having a flip screen on the 5Div while having it on the 6Dii. They must think that's some sort of amateur feature....

I think there may be some concern with it's longevity with pro use. The last thing Canon wants to do is start paying out replacement costs under warranty because of heavy use.

It's funny how differently people feel about certain features. The swivel screen is the biggest reason I didn't wait on the 6D II. I understand their application, but it's something I just don't want on a high end camera. I never liked them on anything, even my camcorder. It certainly depends on they type of shots you take too. If you're getting low and lying on your stomach a lot, the swivel screen is a necessity. For me, I absolutely won't have a DSLR with a swivel screen...until Canon eventually forces me someday.

Ascenta wrote in post #18385169
It's funny how differently people feel about certain features. The swivel screen is the biggest reason I didn't wait on the 6D II. I understand their application, but it's something I just don't want on a high end camera. I never liked them on anything, even my camcorder. It certainly depends on they type of shots you take too. If you're getting low and lying on your stomach a lot, the swivel screen is a necessity. For me, I absolutely won't have a DSLR with a swivel screen...until Canon eventually forces me someday.

I felt that same EXACT way until I got a 70D. And it really wasn't the swivel that I miss when I sold it for the 5diii, but the touch feature was just soooo nice. I can understand people not buying it because it didnt have a swivel screen. But why on earth would you not buy it because it has one? Its not like you couldn't just not use it. It functions the same exact way your regular screen does, just dont swivel it. Or is it that "pro" camera's dont come with a swivel screen?

ma11rats wrote in post #18385162
I think there may be some concern with it's longevity with pro use. The last thing Canon wants to do is start paying out replacement costs under warranty because of heavy use.

flippy screens have been around for a long time, is there any reason to believe it wouldnt stand up to pro use?

I cringe when I see "Pro's" laying down in the dirt or concrete to get a shot... There's nothing pro about getting your cloths all dirty

Have you ever tried to do a low angle in the middle of the road to get traffic lines in your photo? That tarmac can get hot and kind of dangerous, but can make for nice shots

Scoobert wrote in post #18385143
Teamspeed (or any of the experts) sorry for singling you out, just respect your input so much.

Can you explain the reasoning for crippling the shutter speed to 1/4000?

Coming from a 5diii. The lack a joystick bothers me but I think I could overcome that. The dual card slots is a much bigger deal. I have already had a sdcard fail in my 5diii. But I really dont understand why the limit the shutter speed when even crop camera's like 70D/80D can even do 1/8000 yet a camera costing MUCH more wont have.

I can't really except for market differentiation. Somebody thought that make there was a hardware restriction somewhere at one point that wouldn't allow the mirror/shutter to go much faster, but I doubt that. Much like how some of the rebels (like a T2 or T3) is handicapped too by framerate, etc, it just seems like a way to keep some differences between the lines.

ma11rats wrote in post #18385154
My question is whether or not the Digic 7 would process the data faster than the 6. Generally with each gen of Digic they've gotten faster with the processing. I'm assuming the files sizes between a 24MP and a 26MP sensor would be relatively close. Knowing that there's more data with higher ISO files, will the digic 7 be able to move that larger file size faster to keep the FPS at top speed....6.5 before starting to slow basically negating the benefit of the 80D 7FPS as you push up into the higher ISOs.

That's what I was asking.

I would think that with JPG processing would indeed be faster, so any NR, picture style settings etc all should be faster. Even if you just shoot raw, there is a full sized JPG embedded in the raw, and the processor would be responsible for that. Processors are used for AF, metering, raw to JPG conversion, processing and file I/O. It just depends how Canon configures the processor(s) to perform what function.

Scoobert wrote in post #18385174
But why on earth would you not buy it because it has one? Its not like you couldn't just not use it. It functions the same exact way your regular screen does, just dont swivel it. Or is it that "pro" camera's dont come with a swivel screen?

I can't say why for sure. But when you figure out my brain, please let me know! If I don't like 4WD on a vehicle, but buy one anyway, are you going to make fun of me and say "just don't use it"? Maybe it's something I just don't want to possibly mess with.

It's not like I loved everything I heard about the 6DII and decided not to get it. The 5DIV is just a better camera and I decided not to wait and debate.

Touch screens though...much more handy that I would have thought.

Just about everyone that poo-poo'd the touch screen for the 5D4 when announced seem to come back to say how useful it is. I had it on the SL1 and already knew it was very handy. The touch screen on the 1DX II is handicapped and only used for image playback, just silly. The SL1 controls via a fully working touchscreen kill it in a baby rebel.

Charlie wrote in post #18385188
flippy screens have been around for a long time, is there any reason to believe it wouldnt stand up to pro use?

I cringe when I see "Pro's" laying down in the dirt or concrete to get a shot... There's nothing pro about getting your cloths all dirty

Have you ever tried to do a low angle in the middle of the road to get traffic lines in your photo? That tarmac can get hot and kind of dangerous, but can make for nice shots

Flippy screens have been around a long time but no Canon pro dslr has had a flippy screen, they've all been in consumer levels. Yes there is a reason that it may not stand up to pro use.
Someone who's using their's daily/weekly, quickly and actively could very well run into issues swiveling the screen at a rate not seen by the average person taking photos of bdays, and being at the park, etc. I'm talking the difference between 3-5K actuations in a year to over 100K actuations in a year, working that door over and over again. I've seen people handle their 5d's way less carefully than I'd treat a lens cap. I can just imagine pulling and twisting and slamming close that screen. There's also the weather sealing question.

Please note, this is merely my speculation as to why it's only now being added to a FF body. I would venture that the 6D is a bridge camera(usage wise) from rebels and xxD bodies to the 5D and 1Dx line with regards to the sheer numbers of actuations per body. It makes sense to 'try it out' in the 6D before it went into the 5D. 1Dx may never get it. And the 80D's frame design is already there for the 6d2 to be copied to. But I bet the 7d3 is the next one to get it. Then they would use that newly designed frame to create the next 5D with a vari-screen.

I've come to want the flippy screen for pretty much what you've mentioned above. When I'm in wedding attire I really don't to be laying on the ground, whether it's in the sun or not. There's a high chance I'm getting up dirty. And when I'm trying to get a wide, overhead shot of the dancing at a reception, it'd be great to not to have to guess if I have the right angle. Add DPAF for focus acquisition in darker rooms with the LCD. Sounds like the reception part of the wedding would be more fun and easier to get creative.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18384960
USB2 transfer speeds are up to 60 megabytes per second. What are you doing with a tethered camera that is transferring more than this? Just curious more than anything, the throughput of USB2 seems to be fine for most things. Of course to get that, you need the right cable and the right software. Granted USB3 is about 10x that speed, but it probably seems overkill for the manufacturers to put that in at this point. If any camera needed it, it would probably be the 5DS/5DSR, a raw file could easily tap that USB2 speed at 1 full size raw per second (or less).

1. perception is reality. By canon putting an very old (in tech years) connector on the camera seems like canon isn't going to keep the new cameras modern. Even changing the connection (but still usb2) so the same as all the ones phones have would change that perception.

2. While yes transfer speeds for usb2 are quite fast back in the day, that was back in the day. most people take the card out to copy the 16gbs of photos via usb3. But not everyone does this. If you are using the camera via tethered even then transfer speeds from a 26mp raw file via usb3 would be better than usb2. They could have even gone real modern and used a USB-C connection. the advantage of usb3 without the big connector. If you believe that time is money, even if it's your own time then this counts.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18384327
I wouldn't expect the 6DII to be a 5D4 for half the price.

Too right!!! Some wishful thinking going on out there.

I personally love the flippy screen on my 60d. But to be honest, 90% of the time it's left in place as if it's a fixed screen. But for that 10% of the time it comes in extremely handy.

Yes it may be prone to problems under heavy use but if some pro has a problem with it just don't use it. Leave it in place as if it's fixed. I can't see it causing problems for these heavy users if it's just left as is.