6D mark ii thread

DaviSto wrote in post #18387657
How much difference does it really make? A relatively low sync speed will mean that HSS may be needed just a little more often than otherwise and using HSS entails some compromises. But is it really a big deal?

See my note in post #70. Basically saying I can get much sharper images with my 135L using a faster shutter speed. I can move quicker when using a higher SS.

The compromises can be huge when shooting during a wedding. Battery life falls dramatically when using HSS. Overheat warnings turn on MUCH sooner(I'm in the desert so it could already be out in hot temps), HSS requires the flash to be MUCH closer to the subject while at close to full power meaning recycle times slows. So getting landscape couple shots or lighting a large family can be prohibited if the lightstand/modifier is in the shot. Or if I got the couple interacting with each other and they're giggling or acting intimate and I fire off 3-4 shots, at full power in HSS, it's likely I may only get that first image lit when using HSS.

I will ALWAYS try to keep from using HSS if I can and using ND filters can lower AF accuracy depending on the amount of stops. IF it's midday I do what I can, HSS is a tool I can use, but I would definitely prefer not using it.

The only point really is that Canon has internal configurations that are tweaked per model to keep enough a differentiator there. Just the fact we are discussing the reduced shutter speed and lower sync shows that it works.

There is most likely a small segments of owners where this matters, then others that think it matters, and this collective base usually then pony up the funds for the prosumer level instead. That is the goal of feature based marketing.

ma11rats wrote in post #18387668
See my note in post #70. Basically saying I can get much sharper images with my 135L using a faster shutter speed. I can move quicker when using a higher SS.

The compromises can be huge when shooting during a wedding. Battery life falls dramatically when using HSS. Overheat warnings turn on MUCH sooner(I'm in the desert so it could already be out in hot temps), HSS requires the flash to be MUCH closer to the subject while at close to full power meaning recycle times slows. So getting landscape couple shots or lighting a large family can be prohibited if the lightstand/modifier is in the shot. Or if I got the couple interacting with each other and they're giggling or acting intimate and I fire off 3-4 shots, at full power in HSS, it's likely I may only get that first image lit when using HSS.

I will ALWAYS try to keep from using HSS if I can and using ND filters can lower AF accuracy depending on the amount of stops. IF it's midday I do what I can, HSS is a tool I can use, but I would definitely prefer not using it.

I have had a real battle with the 135L (strangely, not with the 85L) and finally decided that anything below 1/300 is not going to come out sharp (on the 5Div) ... I prefer 1/400. I know that I am not alone. So, to me, this is going to be just something that is very, very fractionally more an issue on the 6Dii than it is already on the 5Div. It would not sway my purchasing decision much ... if at all.

I do get your issue ... but 1/180 cf 1/200 is not a large gap. I find it hard to see how it is going to cause a serious problem. It is going to be quite marginal and only infrequently be the determining factor in having to use HSS or not. It could just be the last straw, I suppose ...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18387694
The only point really is that Canon has internal configurations that are tweaked per model to keep enough a differentiator there. Just the fact we are discussing the reduced shutter speed and lower sync shows that it works.

There is most likely a small segments of owners where this matters, then others that think it matters, and this collective base usually then pony up the funds for the prosumer level instead. That is the goal of feature based marketing.

I would definitely agree to this. Take the 1/4000, 1/180, 1 card slot differences. The ones that notice this as being an issue are the ones who consider paying a 50-70%($2000->$3400) up-charge for the next model.

It's irritating but I think it's the price that has to be paid for having a range of options at a spread of price points.

If Canon were somehow forced to incorporate every feature they could into their less expensive bodies they wouldn't be able to sell enough of the more expensive ones. One model or the other would not be viable. You can be certain it would not end with a modestly priced fully featured model being available to all.

A singular benefit of the 6Dii being 'crippled' is that it will actually exist as an option for photographers to own.

DaviSto wrote in post #18387721
It's irritating but I think it's the price that has to be paid for having a range of options at a spread of price points.

If Canon were somehow forced to incorporate every feature they could into their less expensive bodies they wouldn't be able to sell enough of the more expensive ones. One model or the other would not be viable. You can be certain it would not end with a modestly priced fully featured model being available to all.

A singular benefit of the 6Dii being 'crippled' is that it will actually exist as an option for photographers to own.

But its crippling against cameras that cost MUCH less. That's the stupidity of it.
$700.00 T6i 1/4000 shutter, 1/200 flash sync
$1000.00 80D 1/8000 shutter. 1/250 flash sync
$2000.00 6d2 1/4000 shutter. 1/180 flash sync

Canon: Oh you want to spend an extra 1k with my company for a full frame camera. Well for an extra 1000 we give this gimped crippled thing but you really need to spend another 1000 to get a camera that equals our $1K crop camera in features.


Totally agree with teamspeed in that its just canons way crippling cameras so you pay more.

They only thing its making me think is that I need to get away canon and regretting not going to sony sooner.

Scoobert wrote in post #18387759
But its crippling against cameras that cost MUCH less. That's the stupidity of it.
$700.00 T6i 1/4000 shutter, 1/200 flash sync
$1000.00 80D 1/8000 shutter. 1/250 flash sync
$2000.00 6d2 1/4000 shutter. 1/180 flash sync

Canon: Oh you want to spend an extra 1k with my company for a full frame camera. Well for an extra 1000 we give this gimped crippled thing but you really need to spend another 1000 to get a camera that equals our $1K crop camera in features.

Totally agree with teamspeed in that its just canons way crippling cameras so you pay more.

They only thing its making me think is that I need to get away canon and regretting not going to sony sooner.

However, if you think about this, this is how much of the world works. It isn't really any different elsewhere. You can buy an EX or an LX model of a vehicle. No differences other than option packages in many cases. Build a house and look through the builder's options, again, different features on different price ranges. Software licenses for SaaS does the same (we do). The code is all there ready to be executed, but options based on what you pay for a license restricts (or enables) those code pathways.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18387773
However, if you think about this, this is how much of the world works. It isn't really any different elsewhere. You can buy an EX or an LX model of a vehicle. No differences other than option packages in many cases. Build a house and look through the builder's options, again, different features on different price ranges. Software licenses for SaaS does the same (we do). The code is all there ready to be executed, but options based on what you pay for a license restricts (or enables) those code pathways.

Agree, but in how many model plans do you go up in price for a cut in features?

Scoobert wrote in post #18387776
Agree, but in how many model plans do you go up in price for a cut in features?

The 6D is the entry level FF, and cannot be compared to the Rebels, etc. The T6 vs T6s have crippled features amongst them. The next level 70D vs 7D2 again so.

There are things on a higher modeled Civic that may not be on a CRV, but they aren't in the same class.

I don't get the Canon full frame series altogether, not since the 1D body went full frame. The 1DXII is Canon's flagship. Top of the line full frame, with the accompanying price tag. The 6D is the level entry level full frame. Obviously it is pretty far removed from the 1DXII, as it should be. But it could be better where it not for the existence of the 5DIV. I don't get that camera at all. Where does the 5DIV fit in exactly? It's a very expensive camera (albeit less so than the 1DXII) but it misses certain features so as to not cut into 1DXII sales. It's a kind of in-between all rounder, a jack of all trades. But the camera is problematic for the 6D as that camera has to be clipped more than it would be if there were no 5DIV. I don't know, the whole full frame line-up just doesn't make sense to me.

So it's full frame 80d in a way.

Some people will never be happy when specs are released, just buy what works for you and keep it moving.

Osa713 wrote in post #18388110
So it's full frame 80d in a way.

Some people will never be happy when specs are released, just buy what works for you and keep it moving.

No, the 80D has many more features. Its closer to a full frame t5 rebel.

Scoobert wrote in post #18388115
No, the 80D has many more features.

Let's make a list.

1) more noise
2) less ability to isolate subject with OOF areas
3) lower resolution
4) lower max ISO
5) probably not as good low light focusing
6) probably not as fully weather sealed

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Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18388166
Let's make a list.

1) more noise
2) less ability to isolate subject with OOF areas
3) lower resolution
4) lower max ISO
5) probably not as good low light focusing
6) probably not as fully weather sealed

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5 of the 6 you tie straight to the sensor. you know that full frame thing. Which you are paying a premium for, as you should.

Scoobert wrote in post #18388115
No, the 80D has many more features. Its closer to a full frame t5 rebel.

It is not tied to the rebel. It is a FF 80D. Body and controls mimic each other. Above all other elements being different.

Difference in feature list is negligible. A 1/4000 vs 1/8000 is less a differentiating fact over the pentamirror(rebels) / pentaprism(80D 6d2) difference, dials/screens/ergonomi​cs are almost identical with the 80D and 6D2