6d2 is here.

Bassat wrote in post #18416683
The 5DIII was supposed to be a top of the line camera. The 6DII is an upgrade to the entry-level 6D.

The 6DII has a boatload of upgrades compared to the 6D.

The one point you guys are picking on is a minute (0.2 stops) at 1 ISO setting. That hardly makes it a POS.

Much worse was said about the: 60D, 6D, 7D, 7DII. I really don't think anyone who would seriously consider a 6DII would be bothered by 0.2 stops at 1 ISO setting. Much ado about nothing.

Interestingly this is from somebody that loves the 80D for the past year, which kills the 6D2 in the low ISO shadow noise area, yet you think it is okay to have not put the new sensor into a new 2017 camera? It isn't really about the 6D2 vs 6D, that is just a litmus test, it is that any current generation FF sensor should beat the same APS-C sensor in DR and ISO, however the 6D2 doesn't do that. That is the crux of the issue more than the fact that the 6D2 is actually a bit worse than the 6D. This is the FIRST time Canon has pulled this on the consumer base, and it has some frustrated and a bit worried as well.

Also when the 6D came out, there actually was hardly any complaints about it other than its Rebel-esque build. In fact, 6D owners flaunted the fact that the 6D was cleaner in the shadows and had better high ISO over the 5D3 owners. I lived through that era, you weren't even on the boards back then. I had a 6D and a 5D3, and decided to stay with the 5D3, despite all the posts rolling around on the 2.

PJJ205 wrote in post #18416694
I'm with you. Some strange people wandering around the internet nowadays... Guess it makes them feel better to bash something that they have/had no intention on ever purchasing. I don't really understand why people are mad about something no one is forcing them to buy. If I see something I don't like, I simply don't purchase it. Instead, I purchase something that fits my needs. Problem solved.

Some are bashing equipment, others are bashing the POTN members. The latter will have to stop.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18416691
We're not talking about 0.2 stops at 1 ISO setting. We're talking about old sensor tech vs new. We're talking about this:

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Again, an irrelevant comparison. The complaint is that the 6D2 is not as good as the 6D. You are comparing the 6DII to the 5DIV, a camera that costs twice as much. And again, the 5DIV is supposed to be a top-shelf camera; the 6DII is still the entry-level full frame. If you want top-shelf performance, pay for a top-shelf camera.

Compare the 5DIV to the 1DX2. Then we can start bashing the 5DIV for the same non-reason some are bashing the 6D2.

Where does this thread go from here. I think it's in everyone's best interest to stop belittling both directions of the DR story.

I know I'm one who would love the ability have more leeway with files on bright sunny wedding ceremonies where half the party is standing in shade and the other half is standing in sun. I also would love the benefit of less noise using high ISO during the poorly lit outdoor receptions.I know for portraits I use OCF so I don't have to worry as much for pulling up shadows.

Some of my work would benefit from more DR and other's not so much....

But what else is there to discuss? Camera's out, there's images to review, DR is what it is.

What's next? I'm kind of tired of reading the disputing and to some extent bi%*ching, and another extent bashing. I'm honestly wanting to know if there's more info to be had about the camera itself. Anyone have a link to share a 'real world' blog post or video from actually using it on a session?

SixDeeFan wrote in post #18416662
Why all the venom?

Just a little response to DaviSoto's petty insult to the good people on this forum:

"But ... hey ho .... keep the posts coming. It's a heck of a lot better than having you guys posting your photographs."

see post #1510 by DaviSoto

Bassat wrote in post #18416719
Again, an irrelevant comparison. The complaint is that the 6D2 is not as good as the 6D. You are comparing the 6DII to the 5DIV, a camera that costs twice as much. And again, the 5DIV is supposed to be a top-shelf camera; the 6DII is still the entry-level full frame. If you want top-shelf performance, pay for a top-shelf camera.

Compare the 5DIV to the 1DX2. Then we can start bashing the 5DIV for the same non-reason some are bashing the 6D2.

We are discussing, calmly, I might add, that a sensor in a 2017 FF body is worse than a 2012 FF sensor, and much worse than 3 Rebels and the 80D. When the 6D was released, it was BETTER than the 5D3, and your argument on price and model tier wouldn't have worked there, would it? Back then, a $2000 FF was better than the $3300 FF of the same generation.

We would hope that $2100 would get us a FF with a new sensor, not one from the 5D3 era. Now we are getting a $2100 FF sensor that is worse than a $500 rebel at ISO 800 and under. Just to put this into perspective...

CheshireCat wrote in post #18416700
You seem to ignore the fact that many of us were waiting to upgrade to a new camera and - rightfully in my opinion - are now quite disappointed by Canon.
Not all of us can spend the money for a 5D4, which is what Canon would like us to do.

Problem NOT solved.

That is pretty much were I stood. I have a 5diii (was given to me) and after the 6D I was hoping the next one would be really good with all the advancements that have been made in the last 5 years. I was actually VERY HAPPY that it didnt have 4K. I was hoping since it didnt have 4k it would have a better shutter/sync instead of 4K. Basically I was hoping for more of just a camera instead of an all around video/still thing like the 5div. I have not shot 5 minutes of video with my 5diii I am sure with the 5div it would be no more and just money spent on part of the camera I would never use.

But what we got was a bunch of parts canons had laying around for years thrown together to make a camera so bad that the day it was released it was already behind 3-5 year old camera's Including the one it was supposed to replace.. Especially the fact it's sensor is behind crop cameras costing half as much. The only thing new on the whole camera is its price tag all the rest is just crap left over from production runs of 70/80 D's and old 5diii's.
So yes I was/am extremely displeased with this "upgrade path" canon has offered and just as upset that I just bought a new 70-200 IS ii instead of waiting to see how canon was going to progress.

Now I find myself hoping the A7iii will autofocus faster with canon lenses.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18416710
Interestingly this is from somebody that loves the 80D for the past year, which kills the 6D2 in the low ISO shadow noise area, yet you think it is okay to have not put the new sensor into a new 2017 camera? It isn't really about the 6D2 vs 6D, that is just a litmus test, it is that any current generation FF sensor should beat the same APS-C sensor in DR and ISO, however the 6D2 doesn't do that. That is the crux of the issue more than the fact that the 6D2 is actually a bit worse than the 6D. This is the FIRST time Canon has pulled this on the consumer base, and it has some frustrated and a bit worried as well.

Also when the 6D came out, there actually was hardly any complaints about it other than its Rebel-esque build. In fact, 6D owners flaunted the fact that the 6D was cleaner in the shadows and had better high ISO over the 5D3 owners. I lived through that era, you weren't even on the boards back then. I had a 6D and a 5D3, and decided to stay with the 5D3, despite all the posts rolling around on the 2.

Perhaps I am the lone wolf here, but I don't give a frog's fat ass about dynamic range, or low ISO shadow noise, or many of the other things that more advanced shooters seem to nitpick. I am not in this game to produce the absolute highest IQ available. I shoot family stuff to document our lives. What I do buy cameras for is FEATURES. I went to the 6D from the 5Dc and got a whole slew of upgrades for my money. I sold my 1DIV for an 80D to cut the weight of my sports/athletics kit. That move also allowed me to shoot the much lighter 70-200 f/4L IS instead of the 100-400Lc. IQ was never a consideration in that move.

None of that has any bearing on the fact that you posted a graphic in support of a point the graphic does not support. And that this thread seems to be consumed by a relatively puny DR drop, in a very small range of ISOs, in a camera that has a truckload of other upgrades over its predecessor.

Make no mistake, I am not supporting the 6DII; I have no interest in it. I bought all of its features (and more DR!) in my 80D 8 months ago.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18416716
Some are bashing equipment, others are bashing the POTN members. The latter will have to stop.

I think we can (should?) all agree on this. I feel a lot of this conversation would be more restrained if we were addressing each other face to face.

CheshireCat wrote in post #18416700
You seem to ignore the fact that many of us were waiting to upgrade to a new camera and - rightfully in my opinion - are now quite disappointed by Canon.
Not all of us can spend the money for a 5D4, which is what Canon would like us to do.

Problem NOT solved.

And there is the problem, they didn't make the camera you and others wanted so now they suck as a company. That logic eludes me. When a company comes out with a new camera it doesn't reduce your current gear to dust. Also there is a ver strong case that the 6D2 is an upgrade, a big upgrade to the current model, just not in the areas you want. So be it, either pick the Canon that meets your needs, keep your current kit, or move on.

When the 6D came out it was the high ISO, low light, focusing body, those were the things that everybody loved. IQ was and still is very good but the first thing people did was talk about the ability for it to focus in the dark. Now the new body seems to carry on with that trend of more of a high ISO shooter and the AF is vastly improved (and BTW the AF points are not really any more central than other FF offerings).

I can recall a time when the most common theme here was that bodies were not relevant, get glass and go shoot a bunch. Times sure do change.

Bassat wrote in post #18416719
Again, an irrelevant comparison. The complaint is that the 6D2 is not as good as the 6D. You are comparing the 6DII to the 5DIV, a camera that costs twice as much. And again, the 5DIV is supposed to be a top-shelf camera; the 6DII is still the entry-level full frame. If you want top-shelf performance, pay for a top-shelf camera.

Compare the 5DIV to the 1DX2. Then we can start bashing the 5DIV for the same non-reason some are bashing the 6D2.

No, the complaint is not that the 6DII is not as good as the 6D. The complaint is that the 6DII uses old sensor technology. Canon put new sensor tech in the 80D and a number of rebels but not put that same sensor tech in a new camera that is (more than) twice the price. That is the problem.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18416728
We are discussing, calmly, I might add, that a sensor in a 2017 FF body is worse than a 2012 FF sensor, and much worse than 3 Rebels and the 80D. When the 6D was released, it was BETTER than the 5D3, and your argument on price and model tier wouldn't have worked there, would it? Back then, a $2000 FF was better than the $3300 FF of the same generation.

We would hope that $2100 would get us a FF with a new sensor, not one from the 5D3 era. Now we are getting a $2100 FF sensor that is worse than a $500 rebel at ISO 800 and under. Just to put this into perspective...

Thank you. I suppose just because I don't lose sleep over these things doesn't mean I should expect others to share my opinion. At 1500 posts over 100 pages, I am not embarrassed to admit I have not read the entire thread. I'll go back to reading along.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18416743
No, the complaint is not that the 6DII is not as good as the 6D. The complaint is that the 6DII uses old sensor technology. Canon put new sensor tech in the 80D and a number of rebels but not put that same sensor tech in a new camera that is (more than) twice the price. That is the problem.

Thank you, too. Please see my reply to TeamSpeed, above.

Scoobert wrote in post #18416734
That is pretty much were I stood. I have a 5diii (was given to me) and after the 6D I was hoping the next one would be really good with all the advancements that have been made in the last 5 years. I was actually VERY HAPPY that it didnt have 4K. I was hoping since it didnt have 4k it would have a better shutter/sync instead of 4K. Basically I was hoping for more of just a camera instead of an all around video/still thing like the 5div. I have not shot 5 minutes of video with my 5diii I am sure with the 5div it would be no more and just money spent on part of the camera I would never use.

But what we got was a bunch of parts canons had laying around for years thrown together to make a camera so bad that the day it was released it was already behind 3-5 year old camera's Including the one it was supposed to replace.. Especially the fact it's sensor is behind crop cameras costing half as much. The only thing new on the whole camera is its price tag all the rest is just crap left over from production runs of 70/80 D's and old 5diii's.
So yes I was/am extremely displeased with this "upgrade path" canon has offered and just as upset that I just bought a new 70-200 IS ii instead of waiting to see how canon was going to progress.

Now I find myself hoping the A7iii will autofocus faster with canon lenses.

Scoobert, you are all gone and given over to Sony. Which is 1,000% and easily more 'just fine'. And those Sony cameras are pretty f*****g capable ... so you are going to be able to take great pictures if/when you finally swing.

It is maybe going to cost you some money but I'd advise you follow your heart. Believe in Sony??? ... then buy whatever is the most you can afford of it.

Just don't expect everybody else to agree with you. That isn't going to happen. Go your own way.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18416728
We are discussing, calmly, I might add, that a sensor in a 2017 FF body is worse than a 2012 FF sensor, and much worse than 3 Rebels and the 80D. When the 6D was released, it was BETTER than the 5D3, and your argument on price and model tier wouldn't have worked there, would it? Back then, a $2000 FF was better than the $3300 FF of the same generation.

We would hope that $2100 would get us a FF with a new sensor, not one from the 5D3 era. Now we are getting a $2100 FF sensor that is worse than a $500 rebel at ISO 800 and under. Just to put this into perspective...

It's also important to point out that the next opportunity to remedy this is now 5 years away unless you're willing to dish out a ton more $$$. With the new Sony due later this fall and and a D750 refresh probably early next year, this camera is going to look ancient rather quickly.