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Aug 07, 2017 18:07 |  #1726

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It's the difference between trying to get a photograph you can print and hang on your wall, and just taking a snapshot with a smartphone, like - this is Bob and me in front of Niaagra Falls. Just little mementos of something.

When, as a family, we sit down and work our way through the old tins and cardboard boxes of prints from way back when, it's the snaps and arch formal family portraits that mean the most. By far the most important contribution that photography makes to our real lives is the mementoes that it provides of times that would otherwise be forgotten or just never known.

The faded print of my great grandfather and grandmother (people that died decades before I was born) standing old and crooked but clearly proud at the porch of their Welsh cottage resonates incredibly with me. As does the wedding print full of their children (there were eleven that lived), each perfectly presented, who grew up to be the (many) great aunts and uncles that I just about remember from when I was six or seven years old ... with my own grandfather amongst them (fresh-faced and fifteen) just two years before he volunteered for the army and fought at Ypres/Passchendaele (and almost died from the gassing).

I love 'serious' photography. But the family snaps are more important.

And we should print our snaps ... or we won't have the biscuit tins and badly arranged albums to work through forty or fifty years on.


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Aug 07, 2017 18:13 |  #1727

re: Mirrorless for things like wildlife.

I just came back from Botswana, and included my Fuji kit for portability and unobtrusiveness for some applications. As it turned out our guide Dave had also packed a Fuji with the 55-200mm for all of his short work, relying on his Nikon DSLR with 200-500mm for the long lens work.

My XT1 was great for around the camp fire, or scenic shots, in villages etc,. but was of no use at all for wildlife.

Worse, Dave was completely hamstrung trying to get his to manage the job he was asking of it,. My wife's T3 with an 18-135mmSTM handled the job FAR better. In addition to not being able to see what he was shooting, slow EVF response time, and slow shutter reaction, he was also burning through batteries somewhere around 4 or 5 to one of my 7D2 batteries. We had little to no access to power, so this took his Fuji out of action on day 2 - day 5 when I finally jury rigged a way to charge from the 12volt car battery. (we finally got a place with AC power on day 7)

EVF simply does not offer the kind of required feedback and speed to do the job in an action setting. Yes, someone will say newer EVFs are better, that the XT2 EVF is "Sooo much better it is just like a DSLR" but that's exactly what was said about the XT1 EVF when it came out, and so on,..

I adore my little Fuji, but after this experience no one can convince me that EVF comes close to DSLR for immediate critical feedback. I need to see that the eye is in focus! And the little (and big!) critters aren't going to wait.


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Aug 07, 2017 18:20 |  #1728

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18421716 (external link)
EVF simply does not offer the kind of required feedback and speed to do the job in an action setting.

That's what I found entertaining about the recent Nikon rumors camp: so many Nikon youtubers where exclaiming the D850 was going to be a groundbreaking DSLR with hybrid EVF/OVF system. Closer to launch, some confirmation that it's still a conventional optical system, and suddenly the youtubers are saying it's a step backwards for Nikon!


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Aug 07, 2017 18:23 |  #1729

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When I asked where'd we go with the topic after so much discussion on the DR issue, who knew it'd turn into a VHS/Betamax CD/MP3 thread?

Maybe time to get back on topic?

That horse has been beaten into dog food. This is more interesting. :):)


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Aug 07, 2017 18:23 |  #1730

davesrose wrote in post #18421722 (external link)
That's what I found entertaining about the recent Nikon rumors camp: so many Nikon youtubers where exclaiming the D850 was going to be a groundbreaking DSLR with hybrid EVF/OVF system. Closer to launch, some confirmation that it's still a conventional optical system, and suddenly the youtubers are saying it's a step backwards for Nikon!

I have no issue with a hybrid approach.

Perhaps use a transparent OLED and it can augment the OVF. Flip the mirror up and go in to live view mode and you can go full EVF.

If you wanted you could use a pellicle mirror and a separate viewfinder shutter to switch to full EVF. Then you could have OVF with zebra stripe overlays and all kinds of other things.

Either way, there's potential for hybrid VF, but I too am not sold on EVF completely yet.


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Aug 07, 2017 18:25 |  #1731

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As for getting back on track with the thread topic. Well the 6D2 is out, and there's the major complaint of limited DR. Does that cover it? :-)

And no 4k, and no flash, and no high speed 1080, and no 1/8000 and a couple other things.


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Aug 07, 2017 18:28 |  #1732

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18421621 (external link)
Right. How about suggesting me a non-Canon full frame alternative for the 6DII for around the same price, or less?

elitejp wrote in post #18421626 (external link)
I would go used a7r2 with an adapter or look into the nikon d750

Or the a7II or wait a bit for the a7III.


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Aug 07, 2017 18:30 |  #1733

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Aug 07, 2017 18:31 |  #1734

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It is NOT that very few humans hear MP3 vs. CD quality, it is that modern young listeners cannot distinguish 3" speaker Bluetooth speakers from 10" speaker quality!

Nope. Not really. I'll offer you a beer if you are able to distinguish a 160 Kbps MP3 from a CD on a blind test, on any speaker system you want.

The initial goal of MP3 was to produce 'acceptable' results when coding at 128kbps. That's a data reduction of over 90 percent, removing high-frequency content above about 16kHz.

Nope. MP3 simply removes sound information that most humans won't be able to hear.
The higher the bitrate, the fewer "unhearable" information is removed. It is quite simple.
It even allows for higher sample frequencies than CD, for what it matters, so dogs will be able to enjoy music better with MP3 than with a CD.

Huh? Betamax had long mode recording options, just like VHS! The L-750 tape could record 90 or 180 or 270 minutes depending upon recording speed, just like T-90 recorded 90 or 180 or 270 minutes.

That came later, too late, and the slightly superior quality of Betamax was downgraded to slightly crappier.


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Aug 07, 2017 18:41 |  #1735

davesrose wrote in post #18421704 (external link)
I've actually heard the argument for the 6D2 with birding because all it's AF points support f8 (good for if you're using extenders). Since I'd rather use a crop and long lens, I haven't found that need....but it is one feature that's in the 6D2's favor.

The number of f/8 AF points on the 6D2 is conditional on the lens and TC model, IIRC.

The list I thought I saw was prohibitive even with some recent lenses and the Canon v3 TCs.




  
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Aug 07, 2017 18:46 |  #1736

gjl711 wrote in post #18421728 (external link)
And no 4k, and no flash, and no high speed 1080, and no 1/8000 and a couple other things.

Almost like it was a 3-4 year old camera huh?

But wait, in 4 years canon will come out with a 6diii with whatever tech sony and nikon come out with this year.




  
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Aug 07, 2017 18:53 |  #1737

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18421702 (external link)
And yet the 6DII ironically has a very similar, yet newer AF system!
(That many seem to be poopooing before anyone has tried it) :)

No I would not all the 6D2 a birding camera, but I bet it would do a very good job with birds indeed!

Yes. I'm sure I could make it work. As I said earlier I shot birds with a 5D classic for a while and I might have continued to do so because of the beautiful files, but the shutter lag was making me miss too many shots. So then I got me a 1DIIN. And I loved that camera too.

davesrose wrote in post #18421704 (external link)
When it comes to comparing the competition, that's always a tough call. Nikon has good features, but you have to start over again with a different system. I'm too invested in Canon glass, so the only upgrade path for me would be a 5D4 (which currently don't have the extra spending cash for).

I only have two L lenses: the 300/4 and the 400/5.6. I was thinking of replacing the 400/5.6 with the Tamron 150-600mm anyway. Maybe...

I've been looking at Nikon. The D750 looks pretty good but has been recalled no less than three times! I don't think I have a lot of trust in that camera. The D610 is maybe also a good option. I know it's a camera from 2013 but it has a very good sensor that can still compete with today's cameras. The 6DII doesn't even come close when you look at the scores over at DXOmark and Photonstophotos. It would save me some money too. I could pair it up with the Nikkor 300/4 and I know it takes an extender real well. I know a few bird photographers on flickr who use this combo for birds and they're doing sweet things with it. Or I could buy the Tamron 150-600 or the Sigma C. Of course, I've never even held a Nikon in my hands yet. I need to get to a shop to see if Nikon and my hands are a good fit.


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Aug 07, 2017 18:53 |  #1738

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I've got a nice SACD player, and with the proper equipment and native SACDs, can hear the difference in soundstage and harmonics.

It has been proven by double-blind tests that people cannot distinguish a stereo SACD from a CD. The sample contained also audio engineers.

Is SACD doomed ? :)
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John Sheehy wrote in post #18421737 (external link)
The number of f/8 AF points on the 6D2 is conditional on the lens and TC model, IIRC.

The list I thought I saw was prohibitive even with some recent lenses and the Canon v3 TCs.

I know it's conditional with other cameras that have different AF types. I thought the 6D2 used the same cross type sensors throughout?


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Aug 07, 2017 18:58 as a reply to  @ Levina de Ruijter's post |  #1740

It is interesting to compare Nikon vs Canon: even the direction to mount the lens are opposite directions! Ergonomically, I prefer Canon's use of button/dial location.


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