6d2 is here.

Yetihenry wrote in post #18391361
Has anyone seen any worthwhile comparisons of 5D3 vs 6D2? This seems more logical to me than 6D vs 6D2 due to the price the cameras now come in at and both being FF with decent autofocus.

Well the 6D2 doesn't match the AF features of the 5D3, but it is a vast improvement as compared to when the 6D came out and the 5D2 was being phased out. It's still too early to see any real reviews of the 6D2, but we know it will offer higher MP and better DR then the 5D3. I'm not expecting 5D3/5D4 level AF performance out of it, but it's going to be very good. I prefer the 5D series for AF and customization, but I can see the allure of the 6D2 (it looks to have great stills performance).

Quantity and location of AF points goes to the 5d3 but that -3ev wins in dark environments every time.

rantercsr wrote in post #18391352
.. really not sure why you're twisting my Peter mckininon comment as some sort of negative comment , when it isn't at all..

No, I quoted you writing your "rules" for vlogging.

And Canon will deliver the camera they are capable of buying when they are ready to buy. Also, please don't speak for an entire generation. It's called the fallacy of mob appeal. If anything, I'm more apart of the generation you're observing than you are.

I said autofocus (which the a7sii omits) is good for vlogging. It looks like we agree. Don't read that much into it.

That's like a problem wedding client who wishes the photographer could throw in extra packages at 2.5g instead of their 5g list price because another wedding company is offering it at shorter hours at the lower price. The wedding photographer can do it and wow the client, but what need is there if there's no competitive pressure to lower margins? It's as if Canon is a for-profit company is a foreign concept to you.

Canon already separated the Cinema EOS and still cameras a few years back. They've publicly disclosed their intentions to make specialized cameras that are good for their specific purposes instead of cramming all features into every body. So I'm not sure why you're so surprised about this five years later. I explained the economics they had in mind when pursuing this strategy - they're pursuing what they believe are their larger customer base. If you have some demographic data to back up your vlogger theory, then you should ask your local rep to pass that information up the food chain.

That was an argument I'd hear about the 6D's center AF....but can't say I've ever missed focus in low light with the 5D3. Admittedly, I'm using fast lenses in dim lighting, not focusing in completely black environments, or sometimes have AF assist flash. The 5Dc was my first DSLR, and have to admit that now that I'm used to more AF points, I can't be without the versatility of composing with multiple AF points. Some will argue that you can focus and recompose with limited AF points, but I've found you still miss focus if you have shallow DOF.

I'm peripherally reading this exchange. rantercsr says he'd expect better 1080p performance...better then 60p? For 1080, that only means slow motion. Broadcast standards still are hoping for Full HD 60p, and high fps cinema seems to be a fizzle. People seem to more enjoy the "motion blur"/"cinema feeling" of 24p. I'm not expecting cinema production from my DSLR. For my videophile needs, I'm less impressed with high frame rate 3D and like high color gamut 4K standards instead. And those sources are coming from other cameras then what's been mentioned.

6D2 remains where its supposed to be in the line up

Entry level camera for a full frame sensor

Has good performance and good features

No dual cards and 1/4000 kills it for professional use in my opinion.

But Im sure people will get great results with the camera

Bassat wrote in post #18390297
It didn't stay there long. I got mine that year for Christmas... at Best Buy... for $1499.

I expect the same with this one, its at the price it is for early adopters that must have it now..

umphotography wrote in post #18391382
No dual cards [...] kills it for professional use in my opinion.

Before digital, did professional film SLRs hold two rolls of film?

That must be why they were so big...

The big SLRs in those days had more bulk from a grip and a big mechanical film winder!

mcoren wrote in post #18391403
Before digital, did professional film SLRs hold two rolls of film?

That must be why they were so big...

Film didn't hold 1000 exposures then or they might have been a bit larger. It was one thing to loose 24 or 36 shots but odds were you didn't loose everything back then. If I were a pro today and wanting to use a 6D2, I would be buying a lot of smaller cards.

mcoren wrote in post #18391403
Before digital, did professional film SLRs hold two rolls of film?

That must be why they were so big...

Before digital, there were fewer lawyers, and people would not try to scam the photographers out of their pay if a shot or two went missing. Also today with the ease of losing a small card full of photos, it is nice to have the other card as backup.

But of course, today, professional sports photographers aren't so concerned with memory since they're instantly sending via wifi and/or ethernet.

First off the 6D was released in Nov. It was not put on sale in Dec 2012. So if you bought (Bassat) for Christmas, it'd been on the shelf for 13mo. And even then I don't remember them dropping it that low until 2015.

And there's no way Canon's going to drop the price $500(25%) in the first 6mo. Maybe, maybe they'll do a mail-in-rebate for $100-150 tops.

idkdc wrote in post #18391371
No, I quoted you writing your "rules" for vlogging.

And Canon will deliver the camera they are capable of buying when they are ready to buy. Also, please don't speak for an entire generation. It's called the fallacy of mob appeal. If anything, I'm more apart of the generation you're observing than you are.

I said autofocus (which the a7sii omits) is good for vlogging. It looks like we agree. Don't read that much into it.

That's like a problem wedding client who wishes the photographer could throw in extra packages at 2.5g instead of their 5g list price because another wedding company is offering it at shorter hours at the lower price. The wedding photographer can do it and wow the client, but what need is there if there's no competitive pressure to lower margins? It's as if Canon is a for-profit company is a foreign concept to you.

Canon already separated the Cinema EOS and still cameras a few years back. They've publicly disclosed their intentions to make specialized cameras that are good for their specific purposes instead of cramming all features into every body. So I'm not sure why you're so surprised about this five years later. I explained the economics they had in mind when pursuing this strategy - they're pursuing what they believe are their larger customer base. If you have some demographic data to back up your vlogger theory, then you should ask your local rep to pass that information up the food chain.

-'my rules ?..no just a general statement. .i apologize for using the word "rules" so loosely
...a vlogging camera is usually small, light and has an articulating screen ,,, i didnt make that up.. i swear !

Mckinon used what ever he wants i made no negative comment against that ..
Seriously... why are you still attacking that ?
Is it just a matter of " winning ?"

I dont speak for anyone.. just making
Observations...i think im allowed?

Ok you win canon is perfect .. makes no errors , every one should shoot canon... no one in this thread should criticise canon... we shouldnt discuss where canon could improve , because theyve done it so perfectly that we should only praise canon... ok ?.. is that good with you.?

imo, the new canon FF sensors from the 1dx2, 5d4 and now the 6d2 put you in the ballpark with sony/Nikon with regards to dynamic range. and from my use of the 5d4 after using the 5d3 for fours years -- and the 1ds mark III and 5dc before it also for years -- the difference is pretty huge. I also think for canon aps-c 80d is a game changer, now in the ballpark with noink 7200.

6d is a fine camera but the 6d2 is better in ever way that I can think of -- AF, DR, ISO, resolution, touch screen etc.

so the FF DR you're now getting is last generation and the difference is beyond incremental. the new sensors are game changers.